Speaking for Zyra "Please help"

Teslyn··4 votes·634 views

Her plants just dont do enough to discourage this getting dived or chased down. Late game i seriously just get run down often playing her. alot of my wins come from the other team and hard throws. say holding tower and the enemy team does some odd tower dive uncoordinated. and really thats the key here... uncoordinated.

but she needs something to help her. can her plants attack speed scale with something? can her plants slow increase in duration or severity some how on her lashers? can something be done to make this fantasy of zyra real? if her plants are suppose to be a part of her why are they just falling short? is zyra nothing but an ult late game?

Her plants sometimes come up instantly attacking things other times a 2-3 second delay. i understand the priority that you try to give her. what you are attacking, then whatever is closer, but there is an odd confusion when 2 targets are about equal in distance. the plant just cant decide on who to attack. can champions be priority if they are in range? can something be done to her little mentally slow friends?

in long sieges i have to run back to get mana often. she is really bad at being prolonged sieges. it gets to a point of homeguards and having to ult to clear a wave before i leave tower to get more mana and hopefully the beefed up plants can last long enough for me to get back.

those plants man. they fall short often compared to other champions. who is zyra??? when you think of her... what do you tell yourself?? disengage? if thats really all she is there are others that fill that roll. so... if the other team has a poke comp its really just gg? or if they take sivir as an adc... or a riven top who believe me does not care that much about getting snared, or a blitz that doesnt need to truely get to the point of out of his comfort zone to eat zyra up.

how to kill the plants. honestly the more damage people put out the faster they die. basically they are a joke late game dealing with people. Amumu just LOL's at them as he walks by and they die. high damage people and they just one shot these innocent plants.

PLEASE PLEASE help her...

i am not going to go into complete list of details of matchups and why they are just bad for her. but i will give 3 examples.

Heimerdinger: (currently highest win rate) Dealing with him... her plants just dont hold up. His turrets just completely eat her plants with no questions asked. His turrets cost nothing to create these little things. they last forever they take more damage then zyras plants she just doesnt hold up on this end verses that fight

Blitz: i heard what freak said about how if you catch zyra you deserve to kill her. this guy just walks up on zyra and its basically done. At 6 with his ult that silences. Yeah you can poke him a bit and hope.. like truely hope its a bad blitz that misses his pull. but when zyra gets pulled she is basically dead. pull knocked up dead .. its not a fun lane. its just really not that enjoyable at all. then late game pull ult dead. he even has the ability to just run zyra down. its not even about hitting snares.
Here is a situation. his ult is just on such a short cooldown. It does an aoe silence. seriously with thtat damage and a silence. want to talk about no counter play late game lets talk about blitz. there is seriously a deeper underlying problem here then just him beating up on mages.

Ez does he really need that kinda poke on his ability. all game he just pokes and pokes. His sustain is great for this. i have even noticed people take him mid as a counter to zyra. not much a person can do. he can engage freely and he has the range just to poke. i cant even get in range to put plants down let alone the plants to function right. and dealing with him 1v1 is such a pain. his mana pool last alot longer then zyra. i put out half the spells and my pool is depleted and he is still farming away poke poke poke farm farm farm. then late game AP ez 2 shots me and its over... not a fun experience at all. basically its a poke dive dead zyra. then out he goes.

If nothing else please help the plants.

some do what they are suppose to do, but i have had times when the plants are so confused at who is closer to them so they dont attack anything for 2-3 seconds. their AI is horrible can some quality of life be given to these guys? season 6 i hope to be set up with all the house work done and i can actually focus on streaming and recording some good examples but right now the added things just dont fit into the budget so examples of her short falls do not exist on my end in regards to video documentation.

thank you for your time.

4 Comments

Teslyn2 votes

i wish this thread received more love then it did.

the last thing done to her was a nerf with no compensation. other champions are getting some love and i was hoping for either some additional love on the plants or supply her with some mana. rather then people point out the small amount of people that do descent with her. she shows up in only 2% of the matches. Granted more then some but she is in the 99th spot out of 123 from popularity. with the emphasis on mobility she is just falling behind.

OhOkYea1 votes

Dunno. Ive seen some zyras make huge plays before mid game with great wAveclear and insane burst. I was never able to duplicate it but in the right hands she is pretty amazing.

Ship 0F Ducks1 votes

nah i think shes fine, u cant compare heimer's turrets with zyra's plants...heimer specializes on that...he dosnt get seeds every 20 seconds that can be used to check bushes or an aoe root (E) unless ofc heimer uses his ult

blitz is good against any squishy support champion like zyra or even nid supp lol because he can blindly pull anyone of u. Just cuz she doesnt have an escape doesnt mean shes needs a buff to compete with other champions.......just means its harder to play and u gotta position ur self right at the first try (kog vs ez adc). if you're not a squishy supp and a fat initiator like ali or leona and blitz pulls u.....gg his adc will pay.

you're talking about ez mid....first of all u can dodge everything so its a skill matchup....2nd u cant complain against dudes that do well against zyra like ez, a (good) zed etc. shes not the best laner.....her Q range is too small to use it to bush safely since it barley does damage early game. But shes very good in team fights.

her laning isnt very safe, but she has alot of damage....her plants do attack random things, but if u raise them by lets say Q and you hit ur Q on a champion as well as minions.... they'll target that champion lol. if they were to always focus champions.....I think that'd be op since they out trade adcs and supports early level (cuz they dont got the attack speed) .....would be some serrrrious zoning.

ur saying how plants die easy......for heimer.... a Sion can just push his ult turret a mile away from teamfight......late game a vayne can kill it in 2-3 shots with her crazy attackspeed.

just a personal opinion....incase you wana try somthing new.....I used to play squishy support zyra (mid always squishy), but like how u said....1 blitz pull and gg. I found buying hp first really helps...sight stone, Landry's etc and If i still get focused/or just lose too much to pokes.....get banshees veil or omens.....live long enough to continouly CC and trust in ur adc even if you think hes bad and dosnt auto attack ;p

AnOstrichWithPMS1 votes

just build all 3 pen items and u vaporize people before they can blink

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