Look at my outplayed as an ADC, just 3 AA on that Lux. She even Zhonya, ya zhonya literally saved her life.
Whats the counterplay to auto attack as a squishy champion?
Just don't get in her AA range, yea right but what if I'm melee?
CamilleRule342 votesDon't get in auto attack range. Every spell you have is almost 2x vayne's auto attack range.
While she kills you in 3 autos, you can also kill her with your rotation.
A lot of it is positioning, and who gets the drop on who. If you don't know where vayne is and she comes out of a bush and gets you, really its your fault for being there in the first place.
Trying to balance or counterplay things on a 1 on 1 basis is very difficult since the game is 5v5. Theres no way she did that in lane so really, ye got caught out./
Jmman1 votesits almost like they have 
to click out of your root or stuns..... well that gap closers sucks. I understand what you are staying but its to the point not with life steal, resist, rez armor and being able to click out of CC has seem to get rid of there counters. While in theory your are correct but Mages don't have the "select" of item to off set there weakness. See 
immunes them but they can't move. Its like making a knock back item for mages. Once you get to them they can knock you back 900 range with a 900 range cast. That is the issue. AD and ADC have things that make up for their weakness as champs. Mages have to have trade offs. hp or ap, resist or ap. AD items have don't get low ad amounts because of life steal or click out.
CamilleRule341 votesits almost like they have
Its almost like you have 4 other people on your team and you shouldnt be anywhere near the adc
Jmman1 votesOh you mean the support peeling for our adc.... or you mean hope the cc ends before the adc gap close to an auto range longer than your spells.
Maybe I should just run from them the whole game. How do I kill them as a mage. Because if we can't get close. Aren' made for objectives what is the real point of an AP mage?
CamilleRule341 votesOh you mean the support peeling for our adc.... or you mean hope the cc ends before the adc gap close to an auto range longer than your spells.
Maybe I should just run from them the whole game. How do I kill them as a mage. Because if we can't get close. Aren' made for objectives what is the real point of an AP mage?
If youre playing lux and you can't kill an adc by the time a nautilus's rotation is over you don't deserve to be alive during the team fight, sorry.
(I'm just using Nautilus as an example)
If ADC's getting to you is consistently a problem you should really check your positioning and possibly invest in a rylais as well, that really helps with adc's that like to get in your face, like vayne. Also you can use certain spells to zone off entire areas, making certain path's a threat. Really it all boils down to your mechanical skill as a mage.
If an adc is stacking lifesteal make sure you have a morellos. Scimitar isnt a huge threat because during a team fight theres often many CC's that can hinder the adc. You should be at least 10 teemos in length behind your team during a team fight, or right next to your tankiest friendly champion.
If you have a galio, rammus, shen on your team pocketing them is a good idea since the 3 can directly mitigate the damage from adc's and Shen can even nullify it completely with his field thing.
In your defense a lot of this is on paper and during the actual team fight things get very hectic, but really if you focus and position correctly adc's aren't often a threat to most mages.
Even if a scimitar is used, a lot of mages can burst down an adc' into nothing ness and zhonyas before the first auto is even fired off. Like I said in a 1v1 scenario (which is unwise) the first hit often gets the kill.
I do agree that mage items are lacking in diversity but really a lot of this boils down to mechanics.
Jmman1 votesPlease explain how to burst done an adc with 
. You can't CC them to land spells or if you to kill them you better run before they rez because you are waiting on CD. Its not LUX its all mages and non ad or tanks. Its a AP problem with ad. You forget mages have to hit skill shots for damage or have draw backs. Its not a right click for the best burst per second type of thing.
Isn't not MECHANICS is ITEMS....
you play support or ADC / some top......... Mechanics is right clicking and auto rezing correct?
ZephyrDrake2 votesPlease explain how to burst done an adc with
Isn't not MECHANICS is ITEMS....
you play support or ADC / some top......... Mechanics is right clicking and auto rezing correct?
i didn't know that every single CC ability in the game had over 90 sec CDs and guess what while they are rezzing they are unable to move so you can have your team jump on them as soon as they finish reviving
CamilleRule341 votesPlease explain how to burst done an adc with
Isn't not MECHANICS is ITEMS....
you play support or ADC / some top......... Mechanics is right clicking and auto rezing correct?
"You forget mages have to hit skill shots" no i didnt I literally said its mechanical, so, land the stuns? Lol? Keep tabs on if Scimitar is up or not. Scimitar doesnt negate much damage at all, so really what you need to do is know if your stun is going to land or not and burn your combo just as the root actually lands, bursting them to death before they can scimitar out.
A mage should never be in a position to be 1v1'd by the adc, ever. Nor the darius, nor the Renekton, nor the Fiora, nor Caitlyn. if you get caught alone as a mage you deserve to die. You forget that there are AD champs that have to hit skill shots lol.
Jmman1 votesBut these all can do good damage from there AA. Mages can not. That is what I'm saying. EVERYONE you list can crush a mage with just AA full build. That can not be said for mages. So mages have only there spells. These guys have there abilities skill shot and AA. They just don't only have skill shots like I said.
CamilleRule341 votesBut these all can do good damage from there AA. Mages can not. That is what I'm saying. EVERYONE you list can crush a mage with just AA full build. That can not be said for mages. So mages have only there spells. These guys have there abilities skill shot and AA. They just don't only have skill shots like I said.
There are also mages that aren't pure skill shots, and mages who have empowered autos, like Ziggs, and haha Lux.
The reason that ADCs do a ton of damage with their autos is simply to balance the game. They have to get into auto range to do any damage, and mages can often melt entire teams if not multiple people, which most adc's can't do.
ALso the champions I listed all have some sort of non skill shot thats still somewhat imperative to their kit
Rustling Bush1 votesLux Target range
Light binding - 1175
lucent singularity - 1000
final spark - 3350
ADC Target range
aa - 550
solution
don't stand in the 550 range, if you do get caught out thats just the way the cookie crumbles, positioning is part of outplaying.
CamilleRule341 votesAlso if they have a GA you can anticipate when they come up, and if its a vayne you can anticipate that theyre going to tumble. Where theyre going to tumble? Thats a different story. I'm really willing to to bet that if I watched your replay you're going to be making some major positioning mistakes.
