when the fiddle flash feared me from the bush.

BlackRaven·Dec 14, 2014·1 votes·527 views

"why are u nerfing this hard champ"

13 Comments

PryotraDec 14, 20142 votes

I look at your name and just cannot take you seriously.

BlackRavenDec 14, 20141 votes

{quoted} I look at your name and just cannot take you seriously.

my q makes u unable to do anything for 4 seconds.

PryotraDec 14, 20142 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pqn7KB0z,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2014-12-14T17:57:35.723+0000) my q makes u unable to do anything for 4 seconds.

Heimerdinger Blitzcrank Chogath Nautilus Anivia

Yeah, 4 second cd on a crucial skillshot is super punishing.

or were you speaking to the raw zoning potential it has when landed?

BlackRavenDec 14, 20141 votes

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Yeah, 4 second cd on a crucial skillshot is super punishing.

or were you speaking to the raw zoning potential it has when landed?

every single champ u just posted has it on a skillshot, and this yet piece of shit scarecrow has it on point and click. i didnt knwo anivia could flash q and it would fear everyone for 4 seconds.

PryotraDec 14, 20143 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pqn7KB0z,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2014-12-14T18:24:40.778+0000) every single champ u just posted has it on a skillshot, and this yet piece of shit scarecrow has it on point and click. i didnt knwo anivia could flash q and it would fear everyone for 4 seconds.

Fear is 2.25 seconds. You can walk away after that, and during you are already walking away from fiddles. If you are adding silence, and assuming that the fiddles player is god and times it perfectly, you would not be able to use abilities for an additional 1.25 s, for a total of 3.5 seconds. That said, this assumes that fiddles has a lvl 5 fear, which means that this was happening at mid game at the earliest, and this is if he maxed fear first.

Also, flash has an incredibly high cd, and Fear, while very effective, does no damage and has a fairly large CD on the skill to boot. He can only do this "super effective" intro about once every five minutes. If you can't take this sort of initiation once every 5 minutes by the mid game, when there are champions that can do an equally effective initiation with a MUCH smaller cd, then I think you are playing the wrong game. Keep in mind this is a duel initiation at a stage where you should be working as a team.

Also, I thought you were talking about lee sin and his Q. Hence those champions.

BlackRavenDec 14, 20141 votes

{quoted} Fear is 2.25 seconds. You can walk away after that, and during you are already walking away from fiddles. If you are adding silence, and assuming that the fiddles player is god and times it perfectly, you would not be able to use abilities for an additional 1.25 s, for a total of 3.5 seconds. That said, this assumes that fiddles has a lvl 5 fear, which means that this was happening at mid game at the earliest, and this is if he maxed fear first.

Also, flash has an incredibly high cd, and Fear, while very effective, does no damage and has a fairly large CD on the skill to boot. He can only do this "super effective" intro about once every five minutes. If you can't take this sort of initiation once every 5 minutes by the mid game, when there are champions that can do an equally effective initiation with a MUCH smaller cd, then I think you are playing the wrong game. Keep in mind this is a duel initiation at a stage where you should be working as a team.

Also, I thought you were talking about lee sin and his Q. Hence those champions.

after he fears you, he and his team can do whatever the fuck they want. ad for what sort of skill? a point and click. now be quiet stop defending this braindead stupid piece of shit

PryotraDec 14, 20143 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pqn7KB0z,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2014-12-14T18:52:00.210+0000) after he fears you, he and his team can do whatever the fuck they want. ad for what sort of skill? a point and click. now be quiet stop defending this braindead stupid piece of shit

He has flashed into range. He can only fear 1 person. Where is your team? Clearly fiddles brought his, and was stupid enough to initiate flash first.

BlackRavenDec 14, 20141 votes

{quoted} He has flashed into range. He can only fear 1 person. Where is your team? Clearly fiddles brought his, and was stupid enough to initiate flash first.

he pressed ulti then q zhonyas. and proceeded to shit on my team as his team could follow up. the counterplay that can be used is a ward and qss. a ward becomes negated when he flashes on our turret and still manages to walk out because zhonyas is a stupid item that allows u to do damage while not being able to get damaged.

PryotraDec 14, 20143 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pqn7KB0z,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2014-12-14T18:56:36.894+0000) he pressed ulti then q zhonyas. and proceeded to shit on my team as his team could follow up. the counterplay that can be used is a ward and qss. a ward becomes negated when he flashes on our turret and still manages to walk out because zhonyas is a stupid item that allows u to do damage while not being able to get damaged.

oh look how the story changes.

So now we have a different scenario, one where you admit you didn't ward well enough (otherwise you should have seen him channeling and backed off) and that your team was shat on because they bathed in his ult instead of backing away. You see, his ult has a significant cooldown, and if wasted means that fiddles is at an extreme disadvantage. It is in your best interest to mitigate its effectiveness.

I know he couldn't have followed at this point thanks to zhonya's, so that leaves bathing. Unless, of course, your team consisted of squishies, the only way fiddles could do this without your team bathing is if you fed fiddles an insane amount. In which case, I must give you the obvious retort; If you don't want to deal with a fed fiddles, perhaps you shouldn't feed them.

BlackRavenDec 14, 20141 votes

{quoted} oh look how the story changes.

So now we have a different scenario, one where you admit you didn't ward well enough (otherwise you should have seen him channeling and backed off) and that your team was shat on because they bathed in his ult instead of backing away. You see, his ult has a significant cooldown, and if wasted means that fiddles is at an extreme disadvantage. It is in your best interest to mitigate its effectiveness.

I know he couldn't have followed at this point thanks to zhonya's, so that leaves bathing. Unless, of course, your team consisted of squishies, the only way fiddles could do this without your team bathing is if you fed fiddles an insane amount. In which case, I must give you the obvious retort; If you don't want to deal with a fed fiddles, perhaps you shouldn't feed them.

well u see mr obvious, he got fed by flash fearing early, which requires a lot fo skill from what you are telling me. its impossible to not get fed on fiddle, unless you are stupid as hell of course.

PryotraDec 14, 20141 votes

Well, flash has a 5 min cd at all stages of the game. Fear only controls you for 1.25 - 1.5 early on, depending on how you level it.

As fiddles, if you invest early in the fear, you have no damage, if you invest in the damage, you have less fear time. Other champions can handle him, especially assassins like zed/fizz. Honestly, he isn't that bad, and if you have ANY cc, he is easily shut down.

Kuroi86Dec 14, 20141 votes

after he fears you, he and his team can do whatever the fuck they want. ad for what sort of skill? a point and click. now be quiet stop defending this braindead stupid piece of shit

You let Fiddle get within 575 range of you without your team nearby. You officially deserve to die. Fiddles poke has been steadily whittled down over the years. A long range champ with a reliable poke can send him running. Fiddle is in need of a rework, his kit is really warped around certain elements and it really hurts his gameplay as a result. In the mean time, he finds some play, but he is still far from being a high tier champ.