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For once, can Evelynn please be given small incremental nerfs instead of being gutted?

Twëek·7/13/2015, 3:57:40 PM·53 votes·2,625 views

After being irrelevant for the majority of the season, Evelynn is finally in a spot where she's a solid soloqueue pick and is seeing some competitive play. Runeglaive gives her a way to deal with the awkwardness that is her E being physical damage. After having an clunky off-tank bruiser identity for the longest time, it finally gives her a way to itemize as an AP assassin. This makes so much more sense for her thematically and just straight-up makes her feel better to play.

The current PBE runeglaive nerf alone is a huge blow to Evelynn. That change on its own will knock her win ratio down, since it will once again make magic penetration a bad path for her.

In light of this, the massive damage nerf on her Q is absolute overkill. It makes tank Eve even weaker, and will remove any remaining chance of her being an effective AP-based champion. The compensation "buff" on her ultimate is an insult - no Evelynn player has ever thought "boy I sure wish I could trade some of my damage for a tiny bit more slow % on my obscenely high-cooldown ultimate". Trying to shove Eve into being an engage/tank type champion is pointless because champions like Sejuani/Gragas/J4/etc all already do that better.

So this is my request - please leave Evelynn's ability numbers alone until you see what the effect of the runeglaive nerf is on her. If you absolutely must change her numbers, look at the 5.12 Shyvana nerf and use that as a starting point. She only lost a few points of DPS on her W and even with the release of sated devourer, her win ratio dropped marginally. Taking roughly 20 DPS off of Evelynn's Q at level 9 will destroy her.

38 Comments

Shroom Junkie7/13/2015, 4:00:08 PM8 votes

Evelynn is my main jungler.

oh wait sorry was**

junglerboy167/13/2015, 9:18:04 PM4 votes

the thing is, a small incremental nerf is all that she ever gets and it's almost always enough to gut her for a good while before people find a new play style. take 10 damage off Q at each rank and suddenly she's back to being nearly unplayable. She's that volatile to balance.

Ch0c0lateJesus7/14/2015, 7:42:55 AM4 votes

Sorry, wristslap nerfs are reserved for LeeSin Zed only.

EndlessSorcerer7/13/2015, 4:14:36 PM3 votes

Did Shyvana's win ratio drop because of the nerf, or did the release of Sated Devourer make more people (who don't know how to play her) start picking her?

I have to agree though. It would be nice to wait and see how incremental nerfs affect a champion instead of releasing multiple nerfs simultaneously.

Saianna7/13/2015, 4:29:06 PM3 votes

I'm really tired of ""balance team"" Riot has.

They do lots of good changes, true, noone can deny it. But then from time to time they activate

full retard mode

and 1 champion recieves punishment that could easily cover 5 major nerfs.

Do they even play this game? Do they even know how miserable Evelynn is? That is so unfair! Maybe those changes are biased cause one Rioter hates her? That could be the case, but then balancing isn't solo-job. Sigh... I was against Evelynns rework, I was against any nerfs Riot made towards her... I'm damn close to be against Riot as a company.

Sammystorm7/14/2015, 12:18:37 AM3 votes

The problem is that when Eve is good she is impossible to deal with in solo queue and very good in competitive play as well. Her passive and how their is basically no way to really see where she is currently is a huge advantage. Meaning that if she is viable it is usually oppressive because of how hard it is to find her.

She shouldn't really be strong until either vision is made stronger against permanent stealth or her passive is reworked to make her visible a higher precentage of the time. I don't think either of those things are really going to happen so I think it is probably best to nerf her every time she becomes a strong pick.

maikokk7/14/2015, 11:58:11 AM2 votes

daily reminder that this does nothing to nerf DPS on hit devourer evelyn who has recently been buffed with the buff to devourer. no one that thinks this is a nerf has been playing her right since the start of s5

DrKessler7/14/2015, 3:05:55 AM2 votes

why tf would they nerf eve Q AGAIN ,what is the logic behind this? God leave her Q alone already, buff her ult (base damage or something), makes E damage higher and buff W already, 30% is barely enough to run away early, IS IT THIS HARD?

Lowvyr7/14/2015, 4:34:24 AM2 votes

I can't play her well, but even though she isn't that viable, SHE'S SO MUCH FUN! I play her a little here and there because it's fun to play her. Being stealthed 90% of the game is fun! Forcing the enemies to buy lots of pinks is fun! She's fun to play as, and in my opinion, fun to play against. I never get mad because people play her with or against me, and I enjoy her being in the game. I wish I saw more of her. I really didn't mind her being strong in S4 like she was, I enjoyed seeing her.

Please don't knock her down more than she needs to be. I think she's fine the way she is, she just doesn't fit the meta.

Sozan57/14/2015, 2:31:38 AM1 votes

Sorry, but someone with unconditional immunity to stealth wards shouldn't be able to be played as an assassin.

We've had a taste of her being able to assassinate things before... And it was before the vision changes - right now it would be even more destructive, especially for soloQ.

She needs a major rework of her invisibility (or the vision system) before being viable, especially as an assassin.

Celeste Benal7/13/2015, 4:14:28 PM1 votes

Funny thing is, by converting her physical damage E to magic damage, Runeglaive actually makes it easier to itemize against her. Build MR.

idk why Riot would want to nerf her Q. It doens't do much damage. Its just on an obscenely short cool down.

Xhader7/14/2015, 3:18:10 AM1 votes

Am I the only one that likes to build Eve ad/as?

Edit: I mostly play ARAM, but with an ad/as lifesteal build I've blown everyone else out of the water in damage done

jDVL20eCYs7/13/2015, 4:00:34 PM1 votes

to all the nerf and make eves e do magic damage and I'm happy

AHeroNamedHawke7/14/2015, 4:55:56 AM1 votes

But she's been played Warrior Tank for like 4 months

TotalJerk7/14/2015, 5:30:22 AM1 votes

Then people would look at the repeated nerfing over numerous patches, and "Better nerf Evelynn" will become a meme.

Leu077/14/2015, 5:55:03 AM1 votes

I must say, I still find her very good with item 3707, a item 3078 and from there tanky items like item 3102 ,item 3110 maybe a item 3156 if a was doing well. I really destroy early with good ganks, get more damage for the mid game to scale a bit more and you'll keep relevant to late game with the trinity and warrior damage and the tanky items. AD bruiser off-tank Evelynn.

Silents4297/14/2015, 6:36:17 AM1 votes

She is impossible to balance and needs a full rework done to her. Or partial one like they did for Maokai or Sej.

Lissama7/13/2015, 8:04:19 PM1 votes

Just bring back old W!

I Miss Cannon7/13/2015, 6:12:24 PM1 votes

Nope, she isn't allowed to be viable until the release of the Mandrake ward. And i find it pretty questionable when someone wants to tell me that you just need to buy pink wards. That's not the way it works. You know, she gets a big exclamation mark over her head whenever she's spotted by a pink ward so it's easy for her to see them, destroy them and just come back at a later point. I really don't like it when i'm forced to spend 200g on pink wards every back to see them not even survive 1 minute just because Eve is on the enemy team.