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If previously punished people are not getting their ranked rewards, get them out of my ranked games.

Twëek·8/21/2015, 4:14:20 PM·115 votes·6,182 views

Context here.

As someone who has never been punished, I disagree with the decision as a whole, but that's another story. What my issue is now is that you've entirely taken away any reason for these people to try in ranked games for the remainder of the season. This leaves the rest of us with a queue full of angry, resentful people who have a history of being prone to poor behavior. I have already seen countless instances of previously-restricted players going into games with the express purpose of trolling and ruining the games of others.

If you make an announcement like this, about an "oh by the way" additional punishment months before the season ends, you need to either: Not allow them to be playing ranked games; OR Create a separate ranked queue for these people.

They are both harsh suggestions but Lyte's announcement has created a queue full of people who now only want to bring others down.

EDIT: Woohoo! It turned out to be nonsense! From Reddit

86 Comments

DeadlyQuestion8/21/2015, 8:34:12 PM31 votes

I don't understand how this was overlooked. The moment I read Lyte's message I knew immediately anyone who lost their eligibility would queue in and troll games. There was no doubt in my mind. How come Riot doesn't have to go through a "what could go wrong" committee before implementing their poor decisions?

Dr Pump8/21/2015, 9:27:56 PM15 votes

I'll be honest I was banned in the early start of the season because of toxicity and it's because I like winning and that's just something with me personally, under performing and losing makes me feel bad. This is not a feel-bad-for-me because I was actually pretty rude to people but I wasn't racist or homophobic or actually calling people names, I was just trying to say what they should have done in that situation, most people don't like feedback and I tend to ping a lot and get sad when people don't listen to my pings about incoming ganks etc. But anyway, what I'm really here about is that I am on a ranked team, and we were actually doing really well! We just got promoted, I am their mid laner and they rely on me quite heavily. But now that Riot has announced that I can't get ranked rewards because of something that happened earlier in the season, and I really am changing and working with myself better and better each day, I just don't mesh well with some personalities. Mostly trolls. I really really really hate trolls. Either way, it saddens me that I'm punished for something that happened months back, I didn't know that this was going to happen. And my ranked team didn't know this was going to happen, and now I just don't see an actual reason to play anymore because of these stringent rules. I actually was most excited about the season 5 team ward skin, because I put most of my ranked play into that, but now I feel like after one announcement mid season, i lost everything. I never knew the stakes were so high.

dEAdbUs8/21/2015, 7:42:19 PM8 votes

True, what the point of playing rankeds then? However separated queues already created, it calls "ranked restrictions". Player have to get 35 wins in normal draft, before he'll be able get to rankeds. And that's why I cant get, why people wont get their rewards - they already got their punishment. Why punish them twice?

Malicious Fury8/22/2015, 4:17:51 AM8 votes

From your link Lyte said to get suspensions you need to do: "things like racism, sexism, homophobia and other kinds of hate speech."

They need to include "arguing with your teammates" in there because people got suspensions 8 months ago just for that and not being hateful in any way.

Surr20plz8/22/2015, 1:19:35 AM5 votes

It's bullshit to implement this at this point in the season.

IF PEOPLE KNEW YOU WERE DOING THIS THEY WOULD HAVE JUST NOT TALKED AT ALL.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who deserved their bans for dropping N bombs and saying other truly horrid shit. BUT! You also issued tons of bans to people that were just reacting to trolls or just overly excited people calling "REPORT _____!!!" a lot. Those people don't deserve their rewards taken away. It's not the same as the egregious shit that you say 2 week bans are for.

Best Darius KR8/21/2015, 7:46:40 PM5 votes

I mean

Yea, great idea, just disable the queue as a whole to people who get restricted

LeeDark8/22/2015, 9:29:22 AM4 votes

Yeah, give people you've proven can be toxic and make it so they have no incentive to try in ranked. Great idea, Riot.

Rueian8/22/2015, 1:09:07 AM4 votes

Riot might aswell just murder us all. they obviously dont think we should exist.

Sniper 08/22/2015, 2:37:28 AM3 votes

I feel like people who were banned prior to the announcement should have some sort of forgiveness (dependent on the circumstances).

This may end up affecting your players who have been behaving properly as well.

If someone isn't eligible for the rewards they should not be allowed to attend ranked games because there is the chance that they will be there just to troll. Then there is the fact that there is really no reason for them to be in ranked.

I also feel like just throwing this out there 3 months from the end of the season could be a fatal(not literally) error.

Scrublord Nito8/22/2015, 3:22:12 AM3 votes

Lyte was busy on a flight and not thinking straight. He corrected himself: "Imade a huge blunder earlier, then was on a flight so didn't have a chance to correct the post earlier. In the last season of Leagues play, we excluded some of the Ranked Rewards from players that were excessively toxic (so, exhibited severe offensive behaviors such as racism and sexism) or were persistently toxic (so, exhibited moderately offensive behaviors in a large number of games). We're going to continue this policy this year; however, there are some slight changes: One, we always want to encourage reform, and celebrate players that successfully reform by the end of the season. So, players that got a Chat or Ranked Restriction during the season, but manage to reform and DO NOT HAVE active Chat or Ranked Restrictions by the season end cutoff will still get their Ranked Rewards. Players that still have active Chat or Ranked Restrictions by the season end cutoff will not be eligible. Two, players that have received a few Low Priority Queues will still be eligible for Ranked Rewards because we do not want to punish players who may have gotten a few queues due to ISP or hardware issues; however, extremely chronic leavers that have left a huge fraction of their games or hundreds and hundreds of games will not receive Ranked Rewards. These are players that have ruined hundreds of thousands of games, and have had multiple 20 minute Low Priority Queues. Three, players that have received escalated bans (so 7-day or 14-day bans) for excessive toxicity at any point during the 2015 Season will not receive Ranked Rewards. Players that have received these types of bans have shown some of the most egregious behaviors in the game, and we have a zero tolerance policy against things like racism, sexism, homophobia and other kinds of hate speech. These players WILL be eligible for Ranked Rewards in future seasons if they reform and are not flagged for excessive behaviors in future seasons.

Hope this clarifies a few things and sorry for the mashing of sentences in the earlier post. Good luck on the rest of the season!" - LYTE

ParaBellam8/22/2015, 2:18:50 PM3 votes

The problem is that Lyte's system is dipshit stupid. It hasn't worked before, and it won't work in the future. The problem isn't the flamers as much as it is trolls in queue.

If someone starts yelling or complaining, muting is incredibly easy. If someone locks in Rengar support or something stupid like that because they're the fifth pick in ranked, what can you really do but dodge and lose LP?

The game still needs a way to weed out the trolls in lobby, something akin to a vote-kick or along those lines. Lyte fights a battle that literally makes no sense. Then again, Riot as a whole has been doing nothing but making changes where they're not necessary instead of addressing the pressing issues. Look at Lee Sin buffs, armor nerfs (can't have the big bad tanks taking away the glory from the assassins and hypercarries!), and the way they're nerfing champions that benefit greatly from Sated Devourer instead of just changing Sated Devourer itself.

Decrit8/21/2015, 8:32:44 PM2 votes

I might be biased as a non-punished player, but to me is good.

Riot did the possible for a while to "convert" players to not be toxic, and while i do not fully agree with the timing of the decision ( since we are already at end season almost ) or by punishing even those lightly punished i agree on the general context: the system is precise, and only a few % of the playerbase gets punishments.

Those must pay. Pay and be an example. Stick and carrot, simple and easy.

Besides those punished won' t not benefit totally by climbing: they will not get rewards, but they will still be ranked since that is, like, the main purpose of playing ranked and everything else is just an extra. The competitive aspect remains untouched, the personal one not - like the many they abused.

Sorry for all those out there that changed their ways and became honest and respectable players, to which i give my congratulations, but the true punishment deserves to be delivered; i might not look empathetic, but i have a skeleton of bones to pick against those that deserved punishment.

Wajster8/22/2015, 12:30:31 AM2 votes

Until I hear otherwise, I just flat out quit this game. I was banned earlier this season (not for racism, homophobic comments, sexist comments, death threats etc), but because I was mad our sona support went full AP in a ranked game we were losing (for 50 minutes) and never built a sight stone. Now Lyte is taking this position last minute so there is no point to continue to play this game until my case is reviewed. Although I can empathize with other people who are angry they're getting screwed like this, I go try hard in everything I do. It would be impossible for me to try and feed in a ranked game without feeling like shit.

Lotus Blade8/22/2015, 12:26:12 AM2 votes

and they want to encourage people to try their best at ranked, tbh i thought it was kinda ok not that i agree with it untill i saw where it said if u had 20min queue like you can be not toxic at all and still have that...

C9 Scott Free 8/21/2015, 8:04:42 PM2 votes

But will based Riot care?

Project Riven8/22/2015, 4:11:57 AM2 votes

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Context here.

As someone who has never been punished, I disagree with the decision as a whole, but that's another story. What my issue is now is that you've entirely taken away any reason for these people to try in ranked games for the remainder of the season. This leaves the rest of us with a queue full of angry, resentful people who have a history of being prone to poor behavior. I have already seen countless instances of previously-restricted players going into games with the express purpose of trolling and ruining the games of others.

If you make an announcement like this, about an "oh by the way" additional punishment months before the season ends, you need to either: Not allow them to be playing ranked games; OR Create a separate ranked queue for these people.

They are both harsh suggestions but Lyte's announcement has created a queue full of people who now only want to bring others down.

Well if they want to not get rewards for future seasons, they can continue their behavior.

However, I do agree with you. Lyte just opened the door to troll heaven.

BrickOnAStick8/22/2015, 3:17:41 PM2 votes

yes i was banned for 2 weeks earlier in the season, but not because of racism, sexism, or anything else that riot classifies as the 2 week ban. i was playing adc and my last pick said he would play karthus any role, and he had to go support. so fine whatever i have karthus support, totally fine by me. but he immediately starts stealing minions doing anything he can to make me and the rest of the team mad. after our team was losing by a crazy amount, we all just gave up. but whats makes me mad is that the troll karthus somehow managed to turn everyone int he game against me when i was doing nothing wrong. saying "report this vayne for intent feeding" when he would start a fight and than run away and i would die. or "report vayne for trolling" because i would get caught out while trying to ward or something similar. after the game i get a message saying I've reported, which i expected. than about 30 minutes later i got banned for 2 weeks. right when i login after the ban i get a message saying someone that i had reported was banned. pretty sure that was the karthus. if it was the karthus would that mean that the tribunal realized he was in the wrong not me, so should my punishment be lifted. i didn't even really care about the ban since it was finals week at my school and i had to focus on that anyways. guess all i can do is hope for riot to realise what they are doing isnt fair at all, and hold it for next season. its basically like fining somebody for something than after they pay the fine come and take their house, while people might say the end of season rewards are REWARDS and that riot doesn't owe them to you, but when you work really hard in my case to climb to platinum, and then be told im not going to get anything from my hard work, just because of something i did months ago doesn't seem right to me. i could understand giving something to players who have not been punished and actually think that would be great. But taking something from body after they have earned it is just unfair. either start this for next season so people can realize that they actually have something to lose and will stop being toxic, now all that happens is people saying they will troll and feed because they have nothing to lose.

Lanakila Au8/23/2015, 10:44:49 AM1 votes

I had never been chat restricted or any kind of ban before. That was until about 3 weeks ago when it seems like a bunch of people got banned. I got no warning or anything like that but got hit with a 2 week ban for toxicity. I can understand that toxicity negatively affects games but taking away the rewards that I worked really hard for ALL SEASON isn't fair.

I have never been racist or homophobic in any of my games buyt yet I still got the two week ban. Sure I called someone a fucking noob as they flamed me for being a terrible jungler in a normal game, but the punishment didn't fit the crime. I wouldn't be upset if I was chat restriced first, then got a 2 day ban, and then finally was banned for two weeks. Thats not what happen though and it seems that way in a lot of cases. The two week ban is a "escalated" ban, according to Lyte, so where was the escalation????

Can we get a red to reply to this thread?

Trumpet8/22/2015, 7:01:40 PM1 votes

They have been taking away rewards from toxic people every season. This is nothing new, and people should know about this.

I understand there logic, they want to take away rewards from people who are being poor sports. Now they need to do something in addition to it like a complete ban from ranked fort he next season if they continue to troll / rage after they have proven that they can't handle the pressure and should do something else.

ErrantLord8/22/2015, 4:21:07 PM1 votes

Lyte made a mistake

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3hw4en/lyte_made_a_mistake_in_his_askfm_post/