Why Kindred is so WEAK

TheFallenShaw··2 votes·3,280 views

Kindred is a fun interesting champion, who is so weak I and many other consider her either unplayable or a troll pick really. You don't want to play her ranked. Why is she weak? Well she used tobe strong but between nerfs adding up she became the next Azir. Yeah Bjer could prob still make her work, however no where near the level she did, nor are we him for that matter.

So what is about this champion that makes her a joke in ranked game? Well her kit makes sure if the enemy jug just farms his own jungle everyone will out scale her. In levels gold and experience, not just because she won't get stacks. A lot of people remember the old kindred, hell I remember the old Azir, he could do a lot he cant now. That's the same as kindred. But why do I bring the scaleing in xp and gold up. Well you see kindreds passive marks enemys camps so often so she can get stacks for the early game. Both sides can see this mark, so naturally the enemy jug has a head start on getting it cleared a good 10 seconds before she can show up. Once the camp is cleared for 10 to 15 seconds kindred wont even know. So of risking a fight in the enemys jungle which is risky its self. She takes a straight loss in what we call time.

What time you may ask? Early game time. You know that point in the game where everyone is scared to go back bc the enemy laner might get ahead. that time. While you in your lane are farming, kindred if she wants the stack can't farm. She has to take about 20 seconds there, and back. In just the hopes of getting a stack and not dying. If its cleared she just lost a whole min early game she could of been farming or ganking your lane. Ganking that thing Jugs do because they have the time todo it yah know. She doesn't. So now if the enemy farms his own jungle free of risk, he counters kindred and puts her behind in stacks, levels, and gold.

Some of you may argue she gets stacks from kills and assist to. Your very right, but only if she marks the target first. Which they will know, and lets face it without stacks she deals no damage. Her clear isn't the best either so she's useally altittle behind the 2 solo lanes with half her jungle item completed and boots. You might as well have a cannon minion ganking your lane in that reguard. Even if she has some stacks, she'll be a level or 2 behind and in gold as well because of the TIME spent getting it. Of course the laner in order to counter her ganking just has to fall back and play safe, thus fully countering her champion without even fighting and she wont get any stacks.

What it boils down to is Kindred is made completely useless if the enemy team has half a brain. I'd agrue buff her however others would simply without even knowing what they were talking about yell she's op. Or she's still good. No she's not, not even close. She can be made completely useless by good play, and she has no counter play for it. She doesn't scale with items well, only stacks and all stacks can be denyed. even in bronze. Other's will ague about her Ult if well placed can turn a teamfight around. Yeah so? A lot of other ults do the same and more, Miss Forturne for 1. Taric, Nasus bard ect... theirs a lot of champions so do be stupid. That's no argument for her being balanced, I'd argue her ult is less useful than Miss forturnes for example. Why? bc 1st it doesn't deal damage, 2nd smaller area, 3rd Miss's can team wipe if well placed. and finally 4th at best kindreds turns the team fight into a coin flip.

She doesn't have the longest range, the most hp, the highest attack damage, hard cc, she isn't the fastest. Hell there isn't one thing she does better than other champions can't do better. She's not even a jack of trades bc she doesn't really do anything well ecp one thing. Shred tanks hp. Oh that's if she's able to ever get enough stacks and gold. And if she's not focused down fast enough having thoughs. So that brings me to my conclusion about this champion and why I think she is to weak to play, and that why instead of buffing her Riot should just remove her, and champions like her from the game. It will simply be to much effort to fix champions like her and to many ignorate people will spout off the mouth if they try. So riot please remove champions like Kindred, Nidalee, Azir ect.. Players truly don't care about them after all.

8 Comments

ThePikol2 votes

I read that like you are some high elo Kindred main talking from experience. But you are Bronze 5, won't talk about it since I'm Silver but you played Kindred 3 times... That's too little to call them weak

Mr Mentos2 votes

To start, I'm aware this thread is old. Kindred unfortunately still sucks unless you get lucky. However, I highly doubt removing champions like Azir and Kindred will fix any problems. And based off the original poster, apparently weak champions cause a lot problems, even in casual play. Personally, I recently got into kindred so I don't really know her specifics very well, however, I've been a fan of Azir since he was leaked as finally becoming a champion. I vaguely remember Azir almost becoming a champion before, but riot couldn't release him due to his kit just simply not working very well. Now, Azir has been out a while. He's had some ups and downs, but I feel like at the moment he's somewhat balanced. Also, most of my play with Azir has either been recently or before the mastery became a thing, so unfortunately I don't have a lot of proof of my play with him. But if riot removed either champion just because some guy was offended to their presence, I would figuratively want blood. Azir is by far my favorite champion. I'll admit I'm not some platinum pro player who only plays Azir. But I am a casual player whom enjoys league for the game it is and the characters it has. Azir fits a playstyle I enjoy, even when he's not in the meta currently. By this posts standards, every champion who is in a bad spot should just be removed from the game until it's fixed. That and riot is super lazy and doesn't fix all the champions who need fixing immediately. Those statements are extremely arrogant and childish. Granted, a lot of league's community likes to bash other people when you make a mistake instead of being understanding and realizing sometimes people have bad games, or that casual play is not meant to be taken seriously and that it's a place for practice, learning the game/new champions and fun. So that being said, you could almost say that a large portion of the community make arrogant and childish decisions a lot, which would make this entire poster's reasons to posting this thread the epitome of a spoiled brat not getting his way. Now, why can't they just be removed? Because there are people like me who enjoy certain champions that may not 've doing so well. Just because a champions sucks doesn't mean they are some sort of cancer that needs to be removed. Like any other game, balancing a battlefield is nearly impossible and extremely hard and time consuming. Riot may have lots of money and a very large team of workers, but that doesn't mean their employees aren't working hard to fix league's many issues and champion balancing, champion creation, bug fixes, the new rune system. It's not like they have a company to run and a large game full of hundreds of characters to keep in working order. And if you think long and hard you may also realize that if a champion sucks, but there are still people playing said character, it might just mean that despite the champion not being in good spot, he/she/ them (kindred is technically 2 identies in one champion, Lamb and Wolf) is still fun to play. If you look at my recent game history (atleast within a small time period from when I post this, to anyone reading this in the future, the gist is that I've played kindred jungle pretty frequently recently) you'll see a lot of kindred games. Most of them are losses, and I can understand the great feeling of winning, but I had lots of fun playng and I would play more, but she is currently very weak without her passive stacks, which are hard for her to get how they are set up currently. To make my point, and to end this book of a post, simply getting rid of a champion is stupid because it takes away from the diversity and options you get from what league gives you. What if someone decided to remove your favorite champion because they thought it was stupid and a waste of space? It would suck and it would probably make you stop playing the game. Thats why your little rant here is wrong and borderline stupid. Why take away something that makes league a good game? You take out the champions, what do you have left? League is a good game for many reasons, and having a large selection of champions (none of which you HAVE to own or play yourself if you don't want to) and different playstyles is one of those reasons. Just because they need work and riot hasn't gotten to it, or finished working on it yet, doesn't mean the champ needs to be removed. Removing them doesn't fix the problem. Supporting riot, keeping your cool and having fun do. And if you play ranked, it is a deterrent to play certain "bad" champions, but even then, as the pros have shown, even the bad champions can be good in the right hands, or even great on a lucky day. Anyways, I'm going to go play and have fun. And I'm probably going to play kindred or Azir and have a fun time. Maybe you should try having fun. Also, ironically, I think I might play Nidalee too. Haven't played her in a while and she sounds like FUN.

TheFallenShaw1 votes

Azir still has many bugs if i'm not mistaken. I haven't played him in awhile but I remeber his R pushing enemy champions away and being impassable by enemys. Skarner for example can run threw this. I noticed this after a very close game when i asked the Azir player if he had been changed since I was the skarner. He replyed no, that he was confused about how i was able to run at him as well.

As for his current state, balanced is hardly the term I'd use on any champion ability or rune, it is after all preseason and Azir like every champion in the game is suffering balance issue because of runes reforged. Though Yes, it has put him in a stronger state than before, same as kindred. I'll post more on a new topic i create descibing the new kindred and her str and weaknesses later.

However the main point of why kindred and Azir are seeing more value and play are simple. They are squishy. and mana has become easyier to build in runes where before not so many took them or the masterys for mana. Basically Kindred and Azir are the same in this respect of if someone got on them they died. The game powered everyone up to deal even more damage, so Azir and Kindred deal more damage to. However now they can kill what they couldn't before because, the game didn't buff up tankiness with damage. Its out of balance. So for any champion who died instantly (teemo) but just didnt have the damage needed to kill without tricks, now they don't need the tricks, they have the damage its who hits who first. And these squishy champs, are used to hitting first because they never got the chance to hit 2nd. So its experence and a power buff in their favor.

Everyone else getting more damage? They only shrug to it. Why? Because they died anyway before. Why does it matter if katrina can do 120 or 130 now if you died to 100 before? On the other hand if she lived because you delt 90 damage before now your hitting 100-110. See my point? Your not talking about balance, your speaking of damage creep. That the idiots of riot gameing either a didnt for see (I hope like hell) or B did (and are complete morons when it comes to keeping a game alive).

Why? Because League before runes reforged was a 30min game. before that i remeber in season 4 the average was 45min. That was season 4, so for atleast 4 years 45min games made the game grow. I'm not sure if the 30min games had a + or - on playerbase numbers, but I'm sure has hell 20 mins will be negitive. There's a point where you are at an edge. That Edge divides Casual with Competitive players. 20mins thats not competitve, I'm not gonna practice daily to not make mistakes for 20mins. I'll simply wing it. Its not that important to me anymore. 30mins, yeah ill put in an couple hours a week and pract cs. Season 4? I played ever dam day, I memorised every item and champion ability. Why? because I wanted to be good. I couldn't just goto youtube or champion gg back then. I had to earn the knowledge and my rank. It wasn't the clown festa the game is now or was in season 7. It was still a competitve game somewhat in S7 but no where near what it used tobe. Now, i don't even bother playing ranked unless i accidently click it even then I'm not focusing I'm just there to pull some shenangans and build or play something weird. Yeah alot of people will complain about this but, hey I played to the best of my ability at that time. Its not trollling just not worth caring if i win or lose because its now casual to me. I doubt I'll be around come season 9 shame been here 4 years but I will get a kindred info up incase you need better understanding onto the real reason why she's in the jungle and why certin things feel weak on her. I had some slight buff suggestions that I believe would actually fix her now to. Besides the passive change.

B00B001 votes

she's getting buffed in 7.3

TheFallenShaw2 votes

doubt itll be enough, nidalee and azir got buffed as well. didn't change much for them

B00B002 votes

true but the trouble with nida is she gets out of control very fast and in high elo she's still a prio pick in a lot of cases.

Also Azir (and kalista) are up for reworks which are bing worked on right now (not full reworks) as both if buffed get insanely strong and if nerfed insanely weak so there fixing that but requires more than band-aiding.

im optimistic, Kindred is one of my favourite champions in league the thematic, style and how fun she is al couples into awesomeness.

TheFallenShaw2 votes

The trouble with Nida is simply her kit. same with azir ect.. Instead of doing the decent thing and just removing the champion, they nerf them to crap, then people play them in norms and ranked, and are useless. Why? because 1 they didn't know about the nerfs, 2 thought they could still play with the nerfs, or 3 don't have the mechanical skill needed to even win with the champion because of the nerfs.

That is why I say remove the champions. Because they play them and lose matches for no other reason than ignorance and pride. Thus giving their team a bad experience. I call it the only decent thing todo because riot can still put the champion back in later when its actually playable. Also by just taking it out instead of nerfing to nothing, they can play test its OP state without having to reset the data pior nerf, if they even do that now.

Honestly most of the bad nerfs Riot does are simply caused by either pure stupidness or lazyiness on their part. It can not be that hard to remove a champion from play and tweak it under testing by Pro team gamers from lcs ect... to find the abuse areas and change them around till it feels right. Not every champion can be balanced by nerfing stats. Kindred and Azir are two of them. Because they started with really weak stats, nida as well. You have to do a complete rework. If a champion isn't viable for competitive play it should be removed/locked until it is.

League is the most played game in the world now, you can not tell me RIOT doesn't have the funds for this. And neither can they for that matter. Personally if this trend keeps up I wouldn't be surprised if we started seeing the fall of league of legends within the next 2 seasons. I'd be really surprised if it lasted another 4 years the way its going now. This coming from a player who found league of legends back in season 3.

WayneYY1 votes

So fking weak champ and always put the passive in the enemies jg lol funny design. do nothing for the team in early 20 mins. shoulda delete now i think lol was play for professional play but not for normal players

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