A question about Luden's Echo / Expected synergy with Veigar

Yoella··2 votes·2,302 views

For those of you who don't know, there is a brand new 120 AP item on the PBE right now called Luden's Echo. It provides 120 AP and +7% MS. On top of that, it has a unique passive that build charges as you run / cast spells and then deals 100 (+15% AP) Magic Damage to up to 4 targets (including the one you hit) with your next spell. I think of it as the AP Static Shiv.

My question about this item is what happens if the charges are expended on an AoE or multi-target spell? For example, if Karthus Karthus ults with full charge will all 5 enemies proc the passive?


The other thing I wanted to ask was if this item had anything to do with the recent Veigar Veigar nerfs/buffs. This item almost feels like it was made for him, and it was first teased around the same time the Veigar "changes" were unveiled. Veigar is an immobile infinitely AP scaling mage, and so an item that provides a crap ton of AP, some MS, and a passive that can deal some notable damage with high AP feels like the perfect DFG replacement for him. Not to mention it gives him some very light multi-target capabilities. [On another note this items (+15% AP) scaling pretty much makes up for the 20% AP ratio nerf to Veigar's ultimate, however it makes it much more situational damage rather than consistently hitting for huge numbers.]

I do have a feeling that the two were tied together and I really love Luden's Echo so far. However, if this is the case, I really wish Riot had released Veigar's changes and this item at the same time. It would've cushioned the blow significantly. Regardless, I think that Riot is on the right track now so kudos to them.

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D2Vincent1 votes

If I remember correctly, since Luden's Echo only procs on 4 targets, if karthus ulted, only 4 of the five would get the proc. Great for getting Quadras lol.

On a side note, If I were to start building luden's Echo on Karthus, what item should I replace?

Usual Build: item 3040item 3157item 3116item 3089item 3135item 3020

Yoella1 votes

If I remember correctly, since Luden's Echo only procs on 4 targets, if karthus ulted, only 4 of the five would get the proc.

Actually it supposedly only procs on one target, and then 3 "blobs" pop out and damage enemies. But my question is what would happen if multiple people were hit by the same untargeted spell at the same time? Would 3 blobs pop out of each of them? Because they would all be hit by initial spell hit simultaneously.

On a side note, If I were to start building luden's Echo on Karthus, what item should I replace?

I don't play a ton of Karthus these days, but I would either sacrifice Seraph's or Zhonya's or Boots depending on the situation.

Replace Seraph's if you don't seem to be having mana issues / you have access to Blue Buff. (You lose some AP and a good chunk of Mana with the exchange.)

Replace Zhonya's if it's a totally AP heavy enemy team or you don't need the active for whatever reason. (You lose Armor and the active with the exchange.)

Replace Boots if you really want Luden's Echo in your arsenal and you are willing to lose some Magic Pen, which honestly might be worth it sometimes due to the bonus AP. You don't lose much, if any, speed either.

Side note, my typical Karthus build is identical to yours, except that I have a RoA instead of Zhonya's, and Liandry's Torment instead of Seraph's. Liandry's makes my E hit like a truck and RoA lets me survive longer.

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