How the conversation about the Veigar changes went down at Riot HQ.

Yoella·2/13/2015, 9:57:46 PM·484 votes·13,374 views

Riot: Alright everyone who are Veigar's biggest counters in lane right now, and what is he good at? Zed: I'm AD, energy, and teleport, his only hope is to instantly stun me and nuke me down. Kassadin: I passively resist 15% of his damage, teleport, slow, and am granted a shield when I attack him. He has to stun me first and then attempt to nuke me down even with my passive. Leblanc: I teleport everywhere and get damage on him almost without retaliation. If he doesn't stun me I can push him out of lane constantly. Riot: Alright thanks for the input! We've decided to not only give his stun a massive 0.75 second delay we've also given it warning particles so he can never stun you guys again! Zed: Thanks Riot, I can always count on you. I'll keep making those #BigLCSplays.

Riot: Alright what else can Veigar do competently? Ahri: Well his whole identity is to nuke people down. It's his only real valid playstyle. His ult looks pretty good. Riot: You're right, Ahri, his ultimate is pretty powerful. Let's compensate him for the removal of 20% extra damage by removing 20% of his ratio on R! Veigar: Wait, how is that-- Riot: Carrying on! Hmm how should we compensate him for these changes? Ahri: Well he's an immobile mage, which in this meta is pretty bad. I already had mobility and you gave me even more so why not give him-- Riot: A double hit on Q? Hmm but we'd have to make it an unreliable skillshot. Ahri: No, actually I was going to say how about giving him some mo-- Riot: More damage? Nah, how would giving him more damage compensate for taking away an item that gave him damage? Veigar: Actually I think she was talking about mobility, you know, like an escape? Maybe movement speed while Q is out or E is on the field? Riot: But what about MOVEMENT CREEP? I mean, it's not like your three biggest counters in lane have any significant mobility. Veigar: B-But they all teleport... Riot: So just stun them! Veigar: ... but you just gave that a massive delay... Riot: I can't hear you you're too short! Go have some negligible buff on W and go hang out in the corner with Cassiopeia.

Cassiopeia: It happened to you too, huh? Veigar: Yeah...

156 Comments

Pythagorean Thm2/14/2015, 12:50:15 AM84 votes

All of my upvotes

Dyvius2/14/2015, 3:35:20 AM41 votes

The only inconsistent thing is that Cassie is actually viable now because of her epic late-game scaling.

So it'd be more suitable if Olaf showed up.

Otherwise, I laughed my ass off reading this.

Bakunetsu2/14/2015, 4:25:12 AM38 votes

i would give this 300 upvotes if i could

Zirzon2/14/2015, 6:05:45 AM27 votes

I normally try not support threads complaining about Riot but...

Riot: I can't hear you you're too short!

I could not possibly resist after the short joke... Well played sir!

VagaBond rfC2/14/2015, 7:51:16 PM14 votes

The thing that riddles me the most, is that there's a constant nerf towards Stuns, which can be mitigated by a large variety of items. All while Airborne CC (commonly known as knock-ups), which has only ONE item counter, is left as it is.

Veigar's E - at max range - isn't that much of a problem, so long as you're quick about your QSS. I am completely with you in that he's an immobile champion, that relies heavily on his E. This change will completely destroy Veigar's defensive capabilities.

FyreNinja2/14/2015, 7:00:30 PM10 votes

Veigar is fking trash now. Im not going to lie and say I mained him before, but I did play his, and as a FKING IMMOBILE MAGE who relies on a UNIQUE STUN to use 3 ABILITES and then be useless for another 9 seconds (or like 70 seconds) this "rework" is TRASH

Ulquiorra9952/14/2015, 1:35:27 PM8 votes

Because Zed they need Zed to give him Zed a weaknessZed to compensate Zed for his strength Zed in instantly Zed deleting people Zed

BakedLotion2/13/2015, 10:05:36 PM7 votes

best thread na

flibitydoo2/14/2015, 7:25:05 AM7 votes

I mean he also got a huge range increase on his Q

so he can farm way more safer than normal (he can also harass more easily at range and be generally safer in teamfights, assuming one isn't bad at the game and actually knows how to position squishy mages in the current meta)

and he can technically get 2 ap per Q last hit instead of just 1

and it's a skillshot now so he can just throw it over walls or at crowds since it damages multiple enemies now.

But this is the LOL community. We don't look at the positives, we look at the negatives and only the negatives. We don't pay attention to good behaviour, we look at the toxic players and assume everyone who plays LoL is toxic. We don't see buffs, we see nerfs and only nerfs.

Blue Moon Wolf2/14/2015, 1:07:21 PM7 votes

I got Veigar because I can't do skill shots well, riot has ripped me off worse than my job, and they have me working 7 days a week, under 40 hours so it doesn't count as full time (unless you count drive time, they sure don't -__-) and I'm making just above minimum wage.

hobomann22/14/2015, 3:56:29 PM7 votes

its the new fucking thing for league SKILLSHOT CREEP where FUCKING EVERYTHING HAS TO BE A SKILLSHOT!

Ebonmaw Dragon2/14/2015, 3:24:55 AM6 votes

item 3070 I cried

IceKingChernobog2/14/2015, 3:08:39 PM6 votes

I liked the Q change but making it a skill shot was unnecessary, as a veigar main this....hurts me

Aerothal2/14/2015, 8:29:10 AM5 votes

lol 10/10

7ha7guy7772/14/2015, 4:41:13 PM4 votes

Viktor join the glorious group of delayed stun mages

Gigglebytes2/14/2015, 5:55:15 AM4 votes

Instant aoe stun of that length of time lacks counterplay and isn't really that fun to play against.

G1Radiobot2/14/2015, 10:47:14 PM4 votes

Can we get a Morde shout out as well?

Curling Veigar2/14/2015, 6:53:55 AM4 votes

logic

PickleBabah2/15/2015, 1:49:26 AM4 votes

A better fix would be to just have a .25 second delay, and have a strong slow in the middle while having the stun duration be less.

Xengre2/15/2015, 1:49:24 AM4 votes

I think something is wrong... I can't upvote you enough. :/

LOL Spammer2/14/2015, 4:28:48 PM4 votes

How come the posts that have the most hate get the most upvotes? What is up with this community.

Silverthane2/15/2015, 8:15:29 AM4 votes

this is so accurate its hilarious and painful at the same time

Killer X 122/14/2015, 11:35:39 PM3 votes

Cass does so much damage. lol

FLY Slotmachiner2/15/2015, 2:11:14 PM3 votes

I thought they were going to compensate him by "Actually I think she was talking about mobility, you know, like an escape? Maybe movement speed while Q is out or E is on the field?" I was really hyped... item 3070 Veigar item 3070

Risurin2/15/2015, 12:41:00 AM3 votes

so assassins have mobility to outplay a mage that doesn't have mobility, but that mage can one-shot anyone caught in his stun ? + Cass seems to be in a good spot if she is picked in a good team comp.... i dont understand this post...

JusticePauldrons2/15/2015, 5:05:27 AM3 votes

Honestly when it comes to counterplay I can see why the change happened. Having an unreadable aoe stun on a 16 second cooldown is ridiculous on paper. Maybe tone down the delay slightly to .5 seconds? That is the Delay for Demacian Justice and sounds about right to me. His Q change will let him farm a great deal better though for sure and his teamfight potential is still going to be strong.

Kingsgrave2/15/2015, 1:07:40 PM2 votes

Riot's thought process:

Veigar lands 1 thing and then kills you which is OP Leblanc has to land 2-3 things to kill you so its fine