let me get this straight

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This just isn't true, though. Where do you think the "ADCs in 2017 LUL" meme came from? Before the Lethality buff, ADCs were the weakest that they've ever been. I'm surprised people have forgotten this already. Players were abandoning ADC as a role altogether, and replacing it with things like Ziggs and Zyra.

It comes from whiny adc mains like Imaqtpie that are complaining all the time about their precious class that has been the only metagame in botlane for several years.

It's the same reason auto-attack reliant ADCs are still trash-tier. Jhin, Varus, and MF are only strong right now because they benefit the most from Pen/Shred/Lethality. None of these champions were buffed, neither was Last Whisper, only Lethality. If Lethality continues to get nerfed, ADC will go back to being useless and replaced with mages.

Trash tier but still would be played every single game if not for lethality adc's. It's not cause we sometimes see Ziggs bot that adc's are going to be out of the metagame any time soon.

I know it's not healthy for ADCs to be building like an assassin. But that's just testament to how terrible the state of the game is right now. Lethality is the only thing keeping ADCs relevant, and it's only the few caster-ADCs that benefit from Lethality/Pen the most. I'd be fine with the removal of Lethality altogether if they where able to somehow fix ADC damage without it.

Lethality ADC's should not even be able to deal damage to tanky champions because they are centered on burst and not dps. But they do. It's a problem, imo as I said previously the problem comes mainly from Last whisper, and not lethality itself. %Pen is just way more valuable than crit right now, it has to be nerfed. Potentially crit items could be buffed. To be checked though, Caitlyn is in a really strong spot.

The whole point of ADC as a role, is to be the team's glass cannon that dishes out the most damage, but dies the easiest. The only way you're going to survive a team fight is by having good positioning, and peel from your team. The issue arises when you have a Maokai/Naut/Poppy building full tank, and still managing to out-damage a carry.

Lul. You know they don't. In any case, funnily enough, they are really good ADC peelers. Them being strong means ADC's are strong, because they are protected. But right now we see mostly assassins and lethality users, we don't see tanks. Why? Tanks are meant to be the counter to lethality as they stack armor, which is basically the best stat in the game against lethality. hint :

That gives players zero incentive to play the ADC role. If you build full-damage, and still get out-damaged by a tank, you're just a squishy liability for your team. The Lethality buff brought about a band-aid fix for a select few ADCs (the ones that don't heavily rely on autos to be effective), thus bringing us to the current ADC meta of Varus, Jhin, and MF, with everything else being too weak to bother with.

Nah. They're not weak, just get shat on in lane by those. That's it. (and you forget caitlyn, which surprisingly is a crit adc that has a good enough laning to survive. Why would you forget that?)

TLDR : The problem is not lethality. The problem is This item is basically the point from adc's deal 0 damage to tanks to adc's melt tank like they don't exist. This item is broken and should be nerfed and the rest of the itemization changed in consequence (potential crit buffs could work).

If lethality adc's are weak against tanks, they'll become what they should be aka lanebullies with lower scaling.

And if you think that adc's are just irrelevant in lategame anyway because they get "outdamaged by Maokai while having a full damage build" I'm sorry but I can't do anything for you. The memes created by the whiny adc mains got to your head.