I always tend to build the same build every game, but im always told to Counter-build. But when I do that, I seem so much weaker, and I dont do anything it seems like. Im probably just counter building wrong, so any tips out there?
Kaioko1 votesThere's a lot of variations - it depends on your champion, your team comp, the enemy team comp and whose doing well and not doing well.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesthere are lots of variables that play into that. it is really situational. but if you are vs a heavy ap comp you need items that boost your mr and hp to survive the burst if you see a team has stacked armor getting something that have % armor pen is better over getting something that is % hp damage. or if they are heavy hp tanks getting items like 
will help burst through the HP. you have to pay attention to what items are bought at what points of the game and counter from that.
GULAG 4 U1 votesExample. You play against yasuo. What type of damage does he deal? It's physical. How does he deal damage? Auto attacks and Q. So by this, you build a randiuns to slow his autos and crits down, and a tabi to heavily hurt his damage.
Let's look at kha'zix for example. How does kha'zix deal his damage? From his isolated Q. So just stack up on armor.
How does vayne deal his damage? ....
%max health TRUE damage has no counters, fk.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesExample. You play against yasuo. What type of damage does he deal? It's physical. How does he deal damage? Auto attacks and Q. So by this, you build a randiuns to slow his autos and crits down, and a tabi to heavily hurt his damage.
Let's look at kha'zix for example. How does kha'zix deal his damage? From his isolated Q. So just stack up on armor.
How does vayne deal his damage? ....
%max health TRUE damage has no counters, fk.
counters vayne lol i pick him every time i see someone trying to be cute and go 
top
GULAG 4 U2 votesLol. Vayne top? Fuck that I don't like cancer.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesLol. Vayne top? Fuck you I don't like cancer.
i didnt say i played vayne top, i said i play vs vayne top and make her cry
GULAG 4 U2 votesI didn't mean the F#$% u to you but to vaynes. Vayne is just cancer, give her the !@#$ing aatrox treatment already.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesI didn't mean the F#$% u to you but to vaynes. Vayne is just cancer, give her the !@#$ing aatrox treatment already.
egh vayne is easy
GULAG 4 U2 votesStill cancer. Good fucking luck getting to her face when your champion only has one gapcloser while she dashes away and knock you back.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesStill cancer. Good fucking luck getting to her face when your champion only has one gapcloser while she dashes away and knock you back.
last game i faced vayne top she cried so much she made mid lane viegar go top vs me and he didnt fair any better. viegar bad vs gap closers too
GULAG 4 U2 votesHow did you get in her face to smack those tits calm?
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesHow did you get in her face to smack those tits calm?
basicly slow with q they will try to kite your q comes back up off cd she already used her q or e then boom R into her and dead
GULAG 4 U1 votesI don't play malphite. I'm playing jax for example, I need to bait the knockback then turn on her? It's going to be pretty hard when I need to max W.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesI don't play malphite. I'm playing jax for example, I need to bait the knockback then turn on her? It's going to be pretty hard when I need to max W.
as jax vs vayne top that is a lil harder... you be ideal going 
and with your dodge you should win any all in trade
GULAG 4 U1 votesPhantom dancer on jax??
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesPhantom dancer on jax??
well u get the attack speed and movement speed to stay with her increasing your passive stacks to do more damage, u are an auto based fighter and the damage reduction means for 12 secs you take less damage from her in a 1 vs 1 and you can move through minions so you are stopped by creep block . i wouldnt say its ideal in every situation but vs a vayne top or maybe even a fiora yea.
like full build be something like this
GULAG 4 U1 votesYeah I'ma try that out.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesYeah I'ma try that out.
i also suggest 18-0-12 set up taking fervor and recovery, tough skin ,runic armor and insight run flat ad reds, as quints , flat armor seals, and scaling mr blues
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesYeah I'ma try that out.
if u dont need the mr from go with 
or you can use 
if you need the shield/mr from cc abilities, and the shield of will block her E if she uses it while it is active
GULAG 4 U1 votesAYt thanks.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesHow did you get in her face to smack those tits calm?
if she uses any abilities before you ult you win, they have to be discipline enough to just right click and auto
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last game i faced vayne top she cried so much she made mid lane viegar go top vs me and he didnt fair any better. viegar bad vs gap closers too
Shut up.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesStill cancer. Good fucking luck getting to her face when your champion only has one gapcloser while she dashes away and knock you back.
i ended up 11-4-15 as vs 
Very Hard Engage1 votescounterbuilds = negate what the enemy is trying to do
hopefully that also enables you.
counterbuilds are usually sub optimal for the user, but in turn they wreck up the enemy team big time.
an example would be a zed on the enemy team. you are veigar. what do you build?
would be somewhat normal for veigars. but instead you build....
and in turn you dont die to zed and he never gets big. you sacrifice your cs, damage, team fighting... and further extend the time at which you finally get big and start carrying the late game.
but zed never gets big
Junsui Aoi1 votesYou need to give a lot more information if you want helpful answers.
What champs are you playing?
What cases are they telling you to counter build?
What are you building normally?
What are you building in those counter build scenarios?
ItsOrval1 votesWhat champs are you playing? Jayce Top, Nocturne Top
What cases are they telling you to counter build? Veigar/Kayle/Kog/Lee
What are you building normally?
Nocturne = 
Jayce = 
What are you building in those counter build scenarios? Veigar = Maw/Banshee Kog = Rand instead of Frozen Gauntlet Lee = Idk Kayle = Frozen Heart instead of IG
Balderdash10001 votesWhat champs are you playing? Jayce Top, Nocturne Top
What cases are they telling you to counter build? Veigar/Kayle/Kog/Lee
What are you building normally? Nocturne =
What are you building in those counter build scenarios? Veigar = Maw/Banshee Kog = Rand instead of Frozen Gauntlet Lee = Idk Kayle = Frozen Heart instead of IG
Well, against Veigar I'd really suggest mercury treds. Other then that, I notice that your counter builds are switching out an armor item for an armor item... That's not exactly what people are talking about. There's a lot of details that go into counter building, but I notice that against kog and kayle your solution as a burst character(Jace) against a sustained damage character is to noticeably lower your burst for a small sustained defensive boost. My first thought looking at that is that you're trying to just stand and fight against sustained damage characters instead of playing to your strengths. I'd suggest the first thing you do is look at how you're playing the matchups. As Jayce (The only one that actually has an iceborn gauntlet to switch out) you should be poking them down until you can burst them down. If your opponent is not in burst range you should never stand and fight, cause you're going to lose (unless you're noticeably more fed).
Other then that, in case your Veigar response is also a case of switching out maw for banshee instead of stacking them, you're still doing it wrong. You rush a hex drinker, then upgrade to maw as soon as you can't survive Veigars burst. Then, if he's still able to burst you down, you rush Banshee. The whole point in that matchup is to make sure you're not getting one shot. If you're not getting one shot you're fine without building any more resistance. As soon as that looks like it's changing, you need to rush more resistance to keep the balance.
The whole point of counter building is to look at what's stopping you from doing your job, and thinking of ways to get past whatever that issue is. Sometimes you'll even decide that your team just needs more damage so you'll sacrifice some sustainability to increase your damage. That still counts as counter building. Counter building is directly related to your ability to read the flow of the game. If you can't read what's going on, and you can't notice what the sticking points are, you'll never be able to counter build very effectively.
1wolfpack1 votescounter build doesnt mean build more defense on a fighter type champions instead of damage. just tweak your current build a little to compensate.
ex. All AD enemy team, build instead of 
their AP mid is feed, so build instead of 
now these are examples, I dunno who you play, or what items you build normally and their are alot of factors to consider. best thing you can do is to use common sense + experiment a little, see what works for you.