Riot we need to talk about Shyvana. Not today, not tomorrow, not next season, now.

Mariah Carey··1 votes·987 views

Why can she 0-100 someone in a decent amount of time while building full tank??? Her base damage is absolutely ridiculous. If you're building full tank you should not hit like your items are item 3071 item 3035 item 3153 item 3006 Seriously. If you're not going to fix the god awful broken thing that is Lee Sin, at least tone Shyvana down.

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JustMyBassCannon8 votes

I've mained Shyvana, almost since she joined the League.

And I have never seen her 100-0 an opponent quickly. She does not have burst, her kit is based on DPS. She's capable of great DPS, sure, but not so much that she'd shred someone any faster than they would hurt her.

For your information, that Shyvana had BotRK, while you were actually pure tank. Shyvana duels with tanks very well. Like, holy shit, she beats the living hell out of tanks in duels.

Mariah Carey1 votes

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I've mained Shyvana, almost since she joined the League.

And I have never seen her 100-0 an opponent quickly. She does not have burst, her kit is based on DPS. She's capable of great DPS, sure, but not so much that she'd shred someone any faster than they would hurt her.

For your information, that Shyvana had BotRK, while you were actually pure tank. Shyvana duels with tanks very well. Like, holy shit, she beats the living hell out of tanks in duels.

That was the last item she built, or at least one of the last. She built all of her tank items the first 30 minutes, she didn't get 9+ kills from BotRK. I may have exaggerated 0-100 but she still should not be melting everybody when she had 0 melee items for the better half of the game.

JustMyBassCannon4 votes

Except...unlike Sejuani, Shyvana has almost no CC.

She's a Fighter/Tank with barely any CC. How is she supposed to draw focus?

Damage. She's built to deal damage, and that's what she does. And she does it well.

She should be melting people without building damage, because, if they haven't built the defense to survive combat with her, she's going to be tanky enough to equalize the DPS, and it comes down to who has the better defenses in a duel.

Of course, kiting her kind of keeps her from melting anyone. Yes, I know, Sej can't kite, but the other players she was melting had that option. Lissa, Janna, Luc and Ziggs all can keep her at bay, so if she was melting them, they were kiting horribly.

Mariah Carey1 votes

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Except...unlike Sejuani, Shyvana has almost no CC.

She's a Fighter/Tank with barely any CC. How is she supposed to draw focus?

Damage. She's built to deal damage, and that's what she does. And she does it well.

She should be melting people without building damage, because, if they haven't built the defense to survive combat with her, she's going to be tanky enough to equalize the DPS, and it comes down to who has the better defenses in a duel.

Of course, kiting her kind of keeps her from melting anyone. Yes, I know, Sej can't kite, but the other players she was melting had that option. Lissa, Janna, Luc and Ziggs all can keep her at bay, so if she was melting them, they were kiting horribly.

I don't really think Ziggs has the defense or the utility to keep a shyvana at bay, especially if she dives him. That aside, the other 3 could probably get away with it.

JustMyBassCannon5 votes

Knockback+dash, harsh slow...yeah, a properly played Ziggs could do it. Especially since his knockback would interrupt her only dash, then the slow counters Burnout.

I've tried to dive one or two extremely smart Ziggs players before...

unbanmyaccplease1 votes

Why do you say things like this as if you know for certain that a Ziggs cant handle a Shy? Do you see the amount of downvotes ur getting? Stop talking like you actually know the game and start listening more kiddo.

Mariah Carey1 votes

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Why do you say things like this as if you know for certain that a Ziggs cant handle a Shy? Do you see the amount of downvotes ur getting? Stop talking like you actually know the game and start listening more kiddo.

Because I know what Ziggs is capable of and I know unless he is fed or has VERY good positioning and his satchel isn't on CD he's not going to stop a shyvana from mowing him down. Downvotes/Upvotes on GD never really amounted to much as a side note.

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

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Do you see the amount of downvotes ur getting?

Big deal, like downvotes actually mean anything. I get them all the time, including usually when I'm right.

redniwediS1 votes

I've seen her destroy a full health target quickly with no damage items. She had four levels on the poor guy, but she did it with no damage items none the less.

People always forget about the level advantages.

Br4ndon5 votes

i was expecting this thread to be going in the complete opposite direction

Troy2426215 votes

0:100 someone? She heals her enemies to full health? Sounds like she needs some buffs, just for you, OP.

Jamaree2 votes

That season 2 mindset.

Kowe The Ewok2 votes

I thought this topic was about buffing Shyvana when I read the headling cause she has to be really farmed/fed to actually be of ANY use to her team. Seeing a QQ about a glass cannon build with which she dies in less than 2 seconds makes me sad.

Leti the Yeti1 votes

just like i build full tank with alot of junglers but then also have devourers and I rack up on assists/kills and jungle creeps pretty easily so i have like 120 bonus magic damage on hit....

Talamare1 votes

How many minutes do you consider to be a "decent amount of time" ?

Linna Excel1 votes

If Shyv is building full tank, she's got no clinginess to stick to a target. If you are getting low in that case, run away. She needs CC or something to stay on target in league of escapes. If you die to tank shyv, it's because you screwed something up in all likelyhood.

EffectFX1 votes

This is fully intentional.

Champions who build tank need something besides being a tank to be worthy of being targeted. I mean, how scary is full tank mordekaiser? With just tank items (no pen, no AP) he would be completely useless and could be completely ignored in team fights. What makes a champion worth being targeted, either a lot of CC or a lot of damage. Most tanky champions have decent base damage and good CC, shyvana trades that in for fantastic base damages for really solid amounts of DPS with minimal items because she only has 1 CC ability in the game and it's an unreliable one at that.

If shyvana didn't deal any damage you could basically ignore her in teamfights.

Shyvana is actually a really overall champion good design.

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