I just fought a full-ad garen. His E did over 1200 damage per second.

JamesTheMage17··3 votes·2,260 views

When will riot realize that garen is broken?

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Critmaster Garen10 votes

when will you realize that youre trash?

if youre getting dumped on by a champion as slow as garen whos on a squishy full ad build, you have other problems than champion balance.

JamesTheMage172 votes

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when will you realize that youre trash?

if youre getting dumped on by a champion as slow as garen whos on a squishy full ad build, you have other problems than champion balance.

He kills you the second he presses the button, how is this fightable when he can speed boost his way to you?

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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He kills you the second he presses the button, how is this fightable when he can speed boost his way to you?

.

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Ivern.

i cant decide if youre

a) trolling

b) a moron

c) just plain salty because you screwed up on an epic level and got outplayed

probably all of the above.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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.

i cant decide if youre

a) trolling

b) a moron

c) just plain salty because you screwed up on an epic level and got outplayed

probably all of the above.

You people need to screw off this post. ITs been going on for weeks now. Seriously, get a life.

iLymerick1 votes

You must be forgetting that his armor and mr scale infinitely by killing units. Full AD Garen on top of that passive and the new 25% armor shred after 4 spins, makes Garen a broken champion. Also, if you think he is slow, then you must forget that his full AD build includes Youmuu's, Frozen Mallet, and Cleaver (all of which alter movement speed), and his Q increases his movement speed whilst being on a low cooldown, and, under certain conditions, Cloud Drakes. Garen is by no means a slow champion, but he is most definitely questionable in his current state regarding balance.

Critmaster Garen3 votes

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You must be forgetting that his armor and mr scale infinitely by killing units.

they dont. the bonus caps out at 30

shows that you know shit about what youre talkig about.

iLymerick1 votes

I got this information from some other guy.

Big Lincoln5 votes

never, because he's not

full AD garen will get up to 2200 damage on spins unless he built crit

just cuz you lost to a cheese build doesn't make the champ a problem

JamesTheMage171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PeffaWG9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-02-04T22:16:11.679+0000)

never, because he's not

full AD garen will get up to 2200 damage on spins unless he built crit

just cuz you lost to a cheese build doesn't make the champ a problem

2200 damage isn't a problem? Really? Name one ability in the game that does this much. And no, veigars does not. Neither does Syndra. And remember that this is NOT even the total. Idk where you got this info from but it's wrong. It legitimately could do over 7000 to someone. 10K when not attacking minions.

Big Lincoln3 votes

no it couldn't.

And remember that this is NOT even the total. Idk where you got this info from but it's wrong.

because i actually play garen and I know what his damage looks like when he goes full AD

Name one ability in the game that does this much.

Lucian MissFortune

if you count 3 seconds for anything then Draven's Q will easily outpace that with a handful of autos in the same time frame (so will any ADC with high crit tbf)

caitlyn headshots if it crits

JamesTheMage171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PeffaWG9,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-02-06T04:22:34.582+0000)

no it couldn't.

because i actually play garen and I know what his damage looks like when he goes full AD

Lucian MissFortune

if you count 3 seconds for anything then Draven's Q will easily outpace that with a handful of autos in the same time frame (so will any ADC with high crit tbf)

caitlyn headshots if it crits

Well let's see. It does do 10k damage because I literally just fought him. It did about 12-13 hundred damage per sec while simultaneously hitting minions. That's like 1750 dps when not hitting minions. X6 seconds Over 10k damage.

Also, to your other point with mf and Lucian, they are DIRECTIONAL SKILLS THAT CAN NOT CHANGE DIRECTIONS. They are gaurunteed to not hit at least 40% of their attacks as people just easily avoid them. They do not do nearly as much. Caitlyn's headshot does not do over 2k damage no matter if it crits or not. End of discussion. I literally meant end of discussion because you honestly need to stop posting on this post.

TheLastShadow451 votes

It actually can't come close to that much damage. His E scales at level 5 only 38% of his total ad. meaning every 100 ad is 38 added damage. So that's at level 5, 30 + (38% total ad) with 10 spins at 3 seconds.

Now lets say he has 300 ad. That's 114 added on to his E. So it will now do 144 damage per spin, so ten spins would mean 1,440 damage TOTAL. Now divide that by 3 and that is the dps. In case you're bad at math, the dps would be 480.

Big Lincoln3 votes

It does do 10k damage because I literally just fought him.

go into customs or practice mode. build garen full AD/full crit/full lethality. read the tooltip on his damage

Also, to your other point with mf and Lucian, they are DIRECTIONAL SKILLS THAT CAN NOT CHANGE DIRECTIONS. They are gaurunteed to not hit at least 40% of their attacks as people just easily avoid them. They do not do nearly as much.

MF can do over 5000 damage on her ult late game. and neither of them are immobile melee champions so y'know maybe that's why garen's is a circle.

Caitlyn's headshot does not do over 2k damage no matter if it crits or not. End of discussion.

https://youtu.be/8Gy8Sewq6EU?t=59

I literally meant end of discussion because you honestly need to stop posting on this post.

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DrCyanide1 votes

Lets assume for the sake of simplicity that Garen's E is dealing true damage (since that will negate any Armor Pen he builds as well as his shred).

His E deals 50.66% AD per spin to you if you're alone, having a maximum of 10 spins. If you assume he went completely crazy on Crit Damage Runes and got Infinity Edge as well he'd be doing 100% AD per spin.

To deal 10k damage, he'd need to do 1k per spin, which means he'd need 1000 AD (again, assuming True Damage). I Garen -tee you he didn't have 1000 AD.

If he built item 3031 item 3812 item 3812 item 3812 item 3812 item 3812 then he'd have 440 AD. Assuming he's doing True Damage, has full Crit Damage runes, and is criting on every spin (unlikely, if not impossible), he's dealing 4400 Damage over the entire duration.

That's the most it could be doing, and it's not going to be happening because Garen is going to need Boots and probably want a Ghost Blade to catch you, plus he's not going to crit and be doing true damage on every spin.

Caitlyn's headshot does not do over 2k damage no matter if it crits or not. End of discussion.

Headshot deals 50% (+ 0.5 × total critical strike damage modifier × critical strike chance) AD bonus physical damage. If we apply our same math for Garen (440 AD Build, full crit damage runes, 100% crit chance, true damage) then we start out with 440 AD + (0.5 + 0.5*3*1.0) * 440 = 1320 base which crits for 3x damage = 3,960

If Garen is doing 4k damage per E, Caitlyn is doing 4k damage per Headshot.

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

So you let him just sit on you and spin for the entire duration.

Ecks dee.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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So you let him just sit on you and spin for the entire duration.

Ecks dee.

He has a speed boost. You will die before it ends.

TheLastShadow451 votes

You lost to a full ad Garen ? He is easily kited.

Who were you playing? In fact link the match.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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You lost to a full ad Garen ? He is easily kited.

Who were you playing? In fact link the match.

Ivern. And this is not a match on this account.

TheLastShadow451 votes

I was able to tell it wasn't on this account as I search you up on op.gg. This is why I asked for you to link the game. Or are you to scared to show your bronze life?

JamesTheMage171 votes

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I was able to tell it wasn't on this account as I search you up on op.gg. This is why I asked for you to link the game. Or are you to scared to show your bronze life?

I'm not even ranked on that account. I don't see how that's embarrassing in any way. Or scary. Seriously, people need to get over this post and move on with their damn lives.

TheLastShadow451 votes

It's your fault for making such a bad post with 0 proof. You will get a lot of backlash for bad posts.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

how do you simply just not walk away from garen as he uses E ....

E slows down his movement speed making him move slower

JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT

MistroTTC3 votes

It doesn't slow him, that being said if you cant kite and kill a full ad Garen your team deserves to lose.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

garens movement speed while spinning is slowed but he is allowed to move through units

hence why boots of swiftness is recommended on him

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

That debuff was removed a while ago.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

really?

hmm i havent played him in over a year lol

MY BAD

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Lol that's fine. Just goes to show how long you've been playing.

MistroTTC1 votes

Yeah I think was removed on the pbe juggernaut patch, at least I think i started playing on patch 5.12.

Paroe1 votes

So. When you say "full AD" do you mean lethality? Because lethality is a pretty potent damage amp with a full runepage of it.

All Skillzz1 votes

https://youtu.be/8Gy8Sewq6EU?t=59 what the fuck that ace in the hole at the end on a tank? makes me wonder if lucian got hit by that would he get 1 shotted lol.

TheLastShadow451 votes

That Sion player doesn't build defenses. In that game he had Zero armor built..

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