Can you nerf Riven's damage already?

Ragnaveil·Jun 17, 2019·28 votes·12,050 views

Its pretty apparent that she does too much if all she's building is a hammer and kindlegem while still dealing 400 damage an auto. You nerfed the wrong thing riot.

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Voluug13Jun 18, 201916 votes

The issue is less her numbers and more her sheer amount of animation cancel that lets her safely outtrade (if Riven mains abusing glorified bugs to instacombo you and escape can be called a ''trade'' in the first place lol) basically anyone in toplane.

RagnaveilJun 18, 20196 votes

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The issue is less her numbers and more her sheer amount of animation cancel that lets her safely outtrade (if Riven mains abusing glorified bugs to instacombo you and escape can be called a ''trade'' in the first place lol) basically anyone in toplane.

I mean, i'm fine if they become a part of the kit, but they should be balanced AS a part of the kit (aka power has to be allocated to such).

Voluug13Jun 18, 20191 votes

The thing is, she is balanced around that already. She is a mediocre pick below plat, and an absurd do-it-all monster toplaner Diamond and above.

RagnaveilJun 19, 20191 votes

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The thing is, she is balanced around that already. She is a mediocre pick below plat, and an absurd do-it-all monster toplaner Diamond and above.

Uh, shes barely a mediocre pick below plat. Besides, the stuff below plat is a shit show for any champ, so she doesn't get a free pity point for that anymore. My massive issue with her is that the original plan was she got nerfed if she ever went above 55% winrate in Masters+ (Aka hardcore main territory). Since then (and with the recent history of her being #1 for so many patches in a row before the crutch nerf happened), they've never nerfed her despite her being above 55% in that catagory.

It doesn't matter if they change philosophy or not, if she was going to be balanced around that don't fucking change it with the rest if you aren't gonna tune her damn numbers in line so it matches the philosophy change. The inconsistancy has allowed Riven mains time and time again avoid nerf situations. It was until EVERYONE called out the bullshit did Riot finally do something (which later down the line didn't matter because the "wounded" mains already adapted to it).

Sewer SideJun 18, 20191 votes

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The issue is less her numbers and more her sheer amount of animation cancel that lets her safely outtrade (if Riven mains abusing glorified bugs to instacombo you and escape can be called a ''trade'' in the first place lol) basically anyone in toplane.

So your problem it’s supposedly a bug?

Cool, Riot can come out and call it a feature and nullify your whole talking point.

Which is more or less the case right now. Animation cancelling is part of her kit because she is a Street Fighter influenced champion.

GinoSoldierJun 18, 20192 votes

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So your problem it’s supposedly a bug?

Cool, Riot can come out and call it a feature and nullify your whole talking point.

Which is more or less the case right now. Animation cancelling is part of her kit because she is a Street Fighter influenced champion.

Sure, but it's still what breaks her every time she's any strong, and what makes her frustrating to play against. Let's say we just remove AA-cancelling from her Q's. It already makes her a lot more bearable to play against.

Voluug13Jun 18, 20193 votes

''She is allowed to be broken because haha rule of cool!''

You know that ''SF influenced champion'' is a such a bullshit, delusional garbage argument right? That maybe that kind of influence is just plain broken and unfitting in a game such a League. Her inspiration shouldnt be basis for being absurdly broken when her glorified bugs are abused to full extent.

Sewer SideJun 19, 20191 votes

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''She is allowed to be broken because haha rule of cool!''

You know that ''SF influenced champion'' is a such a bullshit, delusional garbage argument right? That maybe that kind of influence is just plain broken and unfitting in a game such a League. Her inspiration shouldnt be basis for being absurdly broken when her glorified bugs are abused to full extent.

Mad cuz bad?

CatastrophicJun 19, 20191 votes

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''She is allowed to be broken because haha rule of cool!''

You know that ''SF influenced champion'' is a such a bullshit, delusional garbage argument right? That maybe that kind of influence is just plain broken and unfitting in a game such a League. Her inspiration shouldnt be basis for being absurdly broken when her glorified bugs are abused to full extent.

Just you wait until they release the new "One Punch Man Inspired" champion

GayFluffyUnicornJun 19, 20191 votes

The issue is 100% her numbers.

Nea104Jun 18, 20199 votes

There are TOO MANY champions dealing TOO MUCH damage, and still having mobility, sustain, and so on.

It's the entire game in an awful state, since they haven't fixed much these last 2 freakin' years :/

IlovemobasJun 18, 20194 votes

Nope she is a rito staff favourite. Gotta suck it up i guess. Even when she gets a “nerf” to her shields she “has” to get massive compensation buffs to her mobility. They use the excuse that her winrate is low but it is higher than that of some other champions.

RagnaveilJun 18, 20192 votes

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Nope she is a rito staff favourite. Gotta suck it up i guess. Even when she gets a “nerf” to her shields she “has” to get massive compensation buffs to her mobility. They use the excuse that her winrate is low but it is higher than that of some other champions.

If anything, they'll point to the pickrate and say, "But she has a low pickrate than before". Uh, last I checked, she was to have 55% winrate in Masters+ (cuz shes mainly played by mains). She's 60%.

Tahminatrix Jun 18, 20193 votes

Atleast make it more obvious when her passive is stacked...oh wait, whats the point if we arnt supposed to outplay it and delay it and stop her from using them, she can always keep it near max after she gets her cdr.

RagnaveilJun 18, 20193 votes

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Atleast make it more obvious when her passive is stacked...oh wait, whats the point if we arnt supposed to outplay it and delay it and stop her from using them, she can always keep it near max after she gets her cdr.

I was thinking of nailing her ult damage till she has items and is midgame for it to be good. Also would make it that by using Wind Slash she loses the bonus' from R1.

DuskDaUmbreonJun 19, 20191 votes

Okay, here's the obvious bit for if her passive is stacked:

Did she use an ability? Has she not autoed yet? Congratulations, you know she has a stack of passive.

It's not like conqueror or anything that suddenly becomes stronger at max stacks. It's literally the exact same numbers at all three stacks. Knowing if she's at three versus one stacks is fucking irrelevant, and if she uses an ability off-screen and walks up to you to auto you and she actually manages to auto you, that's your own fucking fault, and Riot doesn't really have to add in an indicator to account for a situation that should literally never happen.

Tahminatrix Jun 19, 20191 votes

Either youre taking the joke way too far or you think im serious.

DuskDaUmbreonJun 19, 20191 votes

It's the boards - we see stupid requests all the time.

Poe's law is always in full effect here.

SiG DxDJun 18, 20193 votes

weird i played some riven and my autos didnt hit 400 with 25 bonus ad

GodlyBaneJun 18, 20192 votes

But.. they never nerfed riven in the first place..?

Solutate KhazJun 18, 20191 votes

Its an NA thing, everytime someone picks riven from me i don't struggle, can pick kayle into her and i just win games, literally get better at the game, not bitter.

DuskDaUmbreonJun 19, 20191 votes

You got a source on that? Because there's literally no way she can do that with just a kindlegem and phage/warhammer. Not even with ult.

Not unless you take Gathering Storm and AFK for 50+ minutes, that is.

Anime FizzJun 19, 20191 votes

Yep, nerf riven damage, literally the ONLY thing the champ is good for (her kit is literally melee range damage + some very minor cc).

Meanwhile TK top, Karma top, Neeko top all with 53%+ win rates while being 20 times more unhealthy for the game.

Never change boards.

Sweaty Beta CuckJun 19, 20191 votes

Ok you're making 0 sense when Riven can literally smoke all these champs with half an item and mashing face on the keyboard. Although these champs have a shield and decent damage, Riven outscales all of them with BC and Deaths Dance which make her basically unkillable with how incredibly broken she is.

RagnaveilJun 19, 20191 votes

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Yep, nerf riven damage, literally the ONLY thing the champ is good for (her kit is literally melee range damage + some very minor cc).

Meanwhile TK top, Karma top, Neeko top all with 53%+ win rates while being 20 times more unhealthy for the game.

Never change boards.

Hey, as much as I hate those (they should be nerfed), it doesn't mean Riven should get a free fucking pass. She's benefited from so many unintentional buffs its made her kit the most disgusting thing to deal with. She can spam shield all she wants (since the riven mains want that to have more uptime than their Q), but let her damage take the fall. She doesn't lose much when building components when champs who should be doing more damage than her with components can't even do that (Darius).

There's a massive issue with her if her biggest historical hard counter can't even counter her anymore (the only time it would make sense is a rework happens for him, or a rework happens to her. Neither had one that changed the paradigm of this matchup).

Leon4167Jun 19, 20191 votes

This is the first Anti-Riven Board discussion that has a decent amount of comments pointing out how..."average" Riven actually is compared to other champs or in terms of how to play against her in the entire time I've played League. Is the hate starting to die down?

Sweaty Beta CuckJun 19, 20191 votes

Riot too busy making skins for Lux instead of nerfing the real problem, its kinda sad how Riven can literally just roll her face on the keyboard and press R and get a kill. Oh, and if you want to trade with her, TOO BAD. Because she has 2 stuns AND shield! BALANCED amirite?