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So when's something gonna be done about Jayce?

Overloadroad··4 votes·539 views

You know, the Top Laner who is one of the most contested Top Laners, who is not a tank (besides Fiora). He auto wins lane by his high early damage, range, poke and etc. If you dodge his E Q he will take half your health with Melee Q + AA + Knockback. If you try to stay behind and try to farm and you're Melee, who is not a tank, he will zone you with his E Q. Let's say you're a Melee Fighter and buy Tabis to prevent his all ins, then NOPE Lethality items on him will make your Armor useless. If your Jungler wants to Gank, Jayce can either 1v2 or run away since he has speed buffs.

So if you're a Melee Fighter, who isn't as strong as Jayce in the early you basically have to hug your tower and can't even CS. Let's not forget that the enemy Jungle can just dive you, since Towers are useless.

Where's the counterplay in that? There's a reason he has been a high contested pick for Top Lane for like a year and yet he is not even being touched at all

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Ahris2 votes

He is considered balanced by this board.

Jayce Top2 votes

You can easily counter him if you just play safe the first 6 levels. Then you can just out play him there.

Or pick one of his actual counters like: Quinn, Nasus, Anivia, Cho, Singed, Irelia, Vlad, Maokai, Malphite.

Or you can keep trying to 1v1 him at level 4 when he has 6 abilities to hit you with.

Let's say you're a Melee Fighter and buy Tabis to prevent his all ins, then NOPE Lethality items on him will make your Armor useless.

By the time you have ninja tabis, you will have about 60 armor, Jayce will have roughly 10 or 34 depending on if he went full lethality runes. And only half that lethality would be used due to the armor pen rework. If you want to counter Jayce, buy Health and lots of it. Jayce is a burst Champ, he has long cooldowns.

So if you're a Melee Fighter, who isn't as strong as Jayce in the early you basically have to hug your tower and can't even CS. Let's not forget that the enemy Jungle can just dive you, since Towers are useless.

If youre a melee fighter then you can just sit in brush and come out to farm. If Jayce wards said brush, then he has no vision of your jungler coming top. Thats when you tell your jungler to come top and let Jayce push the wave to your tower.

Where's the counterplay in that? There's a reason he has been a high contested pick for Top Lane for like a year and yet he is not even being touched at all

Theres a lot more champions in the top lane are played more than Jayce. Jayce is for someone who has played him a lot and knows how to carry. If you get a Jayce on your team, most of the time you lose. Because unless that Jayce gets fed, your team is pretty much useless in team fights.

Overloadroad1 votes

just play safe the first 6 levels

So aka hugging your tower, not even going for creeps, for SIX WHOLE LEVELS otherwise he will kill you and snowball super hard off of that. "Playing safe" will set you much behind, too, since you will miss lots of CS, can't ward cuz of his zoning which leads to Jayce early pressure + Jungle pressure, so you will lose lots of Gold, but he will get much which make him snowball since it will most likely be damage items.

buy Health and lots of it

Only good if you're a tank. Do you seriously expect other champions, let's say Jax, Fiora, Rumble to buy item 1011 or other TANK items? And do you seriously think, that after "playing safe the first 6 levels" you will even have enough gold to purchase that, ONLY FOR JAYCE, and delay your powerspike even more?

he has long cooldowns

Yes, but after a rotation of his spells you'll be half health and can't even trade back since he will knock you back. He will just play around his cooldowns by simplay AAing, that deal a lot of damage since he is AD, in ranged form + kiting.

Thats when you tell your jungler to come top

Jayce will probably 1v2 since he is ahead by simply having a big CS lead (don't forget "you have to be playing safe the first 6 levels") or run away cuz of his speed buff and knockback

Theres a lot more champions in the top lane are played more than Jayce

Name me a fighter in the Top Lane you see as much as Jayce or Fiora in Pro Play

If you get a Jayce on your team, most of the time you lose

Weird, cuz in this Worlds he has a 71% Winrate according to https://oracleselixir.com/statistics/champions/worlds-2017-champion-statistics/

Or pick one of his actual counters like: Quinn, Nasus, Anivia, Cho, Singed, Irelia, Vlad, Maokai, Malphite.

4 of those are tanks. Anivia is a mage who is mostly played Mid. Quinn is a range lane bully, like Jayce, but much more useless in teamfights than hiim. I give you Vladimir and Irelia.

Jayce Top1 votes

Youre just 100% in denial lol. I have 2.5k games on Jayce, I know what counters him and what to play against him. I have yet to lose a game against an opposing Jayce as well.

Worlds is not the same as normals. Worlds is based on who wins bot lane and who doesnt. Jayce has nothing to do with it. Also notice how everytime Jayce was played in worlds, nobody bothered to gank him? Jayce sucks 1v2 early game. The only time Jayce can take on multiple people at once is if he is incredibly fed, and even then he will still lose because if they land one cc on Jayce, Jayce dies because hes a glass cannon.

Name me a fighter in the Top Lane you see as much as Jayce or Fiora in Pro Play

Chogath Maokai Rumble Nautilus JarvanIV

Only good if you're a tank. Do you seriously expect other champions, let's say Jax, Fiora, Rumble to buy or other TANK items? And do you seriously think, that after "playing safe the first 6 levels" you will even have enough gold to purchase that, ONLY FOR JAYCE, and delay your powerspike even more?

In Diamond Elo you actually find a lot of people buying health items when facing a Jayce. I have seen Rivens build item 3748 and item 3742 late game. And that Riven had a 91% wr in Diamond 5, so yes you can build tank items lol.

So aka hugging your tower, not even going for creeps, for SIX WHOLE LEVELS otherwise he will kill you and snowball super hard off of that. "Playing safe" will set you much behind, too, since you will miss lots of CS, can't ward cuz of his zoning which leads to Jayce early pressure + Jungle pressure, so you will lose lots of Gold, but he will get much which make him snowball since it will most likely be damage items.

If the lane is pushed to your tower you are going to a gank sooner or later. Maybe learn the matchup instead of complaining more.

Overloadroad1 votes

I have 2.5k games on Jayce

Which can lead to a biased opinion from you, since you main the champ and don't want him to be nerfed

if they land one cc on Jayce, Jayce dies because hes a glass cannon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2YkMXt_GVk sure.

Chogath Maokai Rumble Nautilus JarvanIV

Uhh, I'm talking about Fighters. Cho, Mao and Nautiluse are TANKS. Rumble is just another lane bully. Only Jarvan is as contested as Jayce, but he has a much higher ban rate.

I have seen Rivens build item 3748 and item 3742 late game. late game

Games are almost always pretty much over before you can buy items like that, especially when playing against said Lane bully who can snowball super hard. Buying health items in the late game don't do anything against his too opressive early game.

And that Riven had a 91% wr in Diamond 5, so yes you can build tank items lol.

Over how many games? Probably a smurf, who can build whatever he wants, since the Elo is easy for him.

If the lane is pushed to your tower you are going to a gank sooner or later. Worlds is based on who wins bot lane and who doesnt

Its not only in Worlds, its the whole game atm. Have you been asleep for the past months? There is a reason, why the boards were spamming with countless ADCs and Ardent Censer threads, and how impactful that is. It is NOT only in Worlds. That's the reason why you most likely won't get a gank in the Top Lane, the higher you climb, since you'll be so far behind as a laner, that your Jungler knows, giving you a kill or two won't do much since Jayce will always beat you in the early, since Lethality items are pretty strong atm.

Maybe learn the matchup instead of complaining more.

What is there to learn by "just playing safe the first SIX levels" xd

Jayce Top1 votes

Well yeah if you dive under his tower at level 6 when you have only one health item (gragas), no shit jayce is gonna get something out of that. Also you pulled up one of the best Jayce players in the world, no duh hes gonna be able to outplay that. Jayce is a champ that even if you have thousands of games on him, you still wont be able to win games. He takes tons and tons of games to actually master.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

While i agree with a lot what you said: Singed, cho and nasus by no means counter jayce. Picking those champs is suicide. Only chance for singed is to proxy and hope he doesn't get caught. Current cho counters everything toplane tbh, stupid dmg and scaling, retarded sustain you get the idea but jayce can still easily zone him and punish him whenever he tries to get near. Irelia doesn't necessarily counter him as well it's all about if she can survive to naturally outscale him without falling too far behind.

Jayce Top1 votes

Cho wins against Jayce after first back. Jayce wont be able to do anything to him. Sure Jayce can poke, but he will lose all his mana. Cho can just heal and get mana back off minions. Then once cho is level 6, all he has to do is w, q, r, and jayce is pretty much dead.

Nasus takes time to learn against Jayce. But he is by far the easiest for me to play against a Jayce. I let Jayce auto me a few times early game, let the wave come to me, get stacks, repeat. 1-2 autos from Jayce does nothing early game, especially when you start Dorans Shield. Then yopu just repeat that over and over until you get Sheen and Ult, then you can 1v1 Jayce rest of game.

Irelia can win at level 3-13. level 1-2/14-18, Jayce wins against her. Because if Jayce pokes her at level 3+, then she will just stun you, then apply tons of true damage to you.

Singed wins most the time depending on the Singed. Most Singed players are bad and actually walk under tower while Jayce is full health trying to proxy. But Singed wins if he can proxy correctly.

Taliyah Rocks1 votes

Yeah i'm really sick of AD early lane bullies. TalonJayceZed

Not all of them are contested picks, but they all have reliable and easy to use combos, and they all stack lethality. Although they usually fall off later in the game, it just doesn't feel interactive to play against them. You're forced into buying defensive items while they can just stack lethality and help their allies by roaming while you're stuck cowering undertower, begging for every cs you can gather.

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