Riot we need to have a talk about some items....

Irelia Bot··1 votes·225 views

item 3211 item 3155 item 3035

These are extremely effective and really not situational for a lot of champs. They are however steeping stones to a stronger item but they are currently so effective on their own that buying them early on and just "sitting" on them until a third or forth item to complete is not a bad choice at all. As a matter of fact that is often times something that will happen with these items.

Then you have an item like Wit's end how it was in season 2. By all means it was able to be an effective rush item option like Hex Drinker currently is for countering magic damage champs. It had a fairly higher cost "2000 to 2200" but it was limited in the power it offered in extremely long games for the item slot and built into no better item which meant that it did not have this issue of players "sitting" on it until later to complete it. It was a strong for the price item but conditional with clear pros and cons.

The three items listed at the start need some kind of nerf to their "sitting" power. Players should not be getting that much effectiveness out of a component to an item they will build later. They should feel like they need to build the completed item to get a better overall effect to counter the problem they are facing. But these items are just good enough on their own to enable ignoring most magic damage champs or to feel like enemy armor is not really limiting overall damage output that much and they are all fairly cheap costing 1300 or under.

Examples of nerfs to these items could be: item 3155 losing 5MR and the shield is always 150 item 3211 losing 50 health and 5 MR and 25% health regen after taking damage but costing 100 less gold. item 3035 % armor reduction reduced to 25% and costing 100 more. (might just be me but I feel like % bonus armor pen is a way to cheaply priced stat in the game currently.)

Completed item 3102 /item 3065 or item 3156 oritem 3033 /item 3036 should have to be more common as a counter to a situation but currently it is not needed to contend with magic damage dealers and armor stackers to a high enouygh degree. There needs to be some kind of price paid in getting these items by having to get the completed item to really feel like the buy is overall worthwhile.

Yes This is aimed at making both real tanks and mages have some power in the game again.

The lack of any items like wit's end was in season 2 is also part of the issue since there is no clear good around 2000 gold counter rush items that will fall off late game anymore.

9 Comments

PDE5 Inhib1 votes

item 3155 alone has caused so many lesser skilled AD players to beat AP champs in lane. If a Zed gets this item against a mage, there is NO killing him unless he is a dumb dumb.

Oh, and AP items are all getting their AP nerfed lol.

Irelia Bot1 votes

Well not all of them. They did not post anythign about Echo and Deathcap and they did say they wanted to add more AP to some items in the rework. We have only seen the first cycle of the items being put on the PBE.

Juggernaut6281 votes

Hexdrinker is overpowered guys. Better nerf Irelia.

Irelia Bot1 votes

And Panth... And Zed... And a bunch of others

Juggernaut6281 votes

OMG I just realized your name is Irelia Bot... lol.

You do get the better nerf Irelia joke though, right? It's an old meme.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

You way overvalue item 3035 as an early sitting item. % bonus pen is very weak early. like, near useless early. Because it doesn't account for base armor, no one can have a lot of armor early, certainly not enough to matter with this.

The others, yeah you're right.

Irelia Bot1 votes

I guess I am saying LW on it's own is way too good for 1300 gold. You upgrade a pickaxe for 425 gold and in turn can justify that % armor pen it if the enemy has 71 or more bonus armor.

Making it cost 525 for 25% bonus armor reduction makes it so that the enemy needs 105 armor for the effect to pay for itself.

THis is more to make players have to invest into the full item instead of just getting a huge cost efficient boost of power when the enemy builds some armor.

Final stats of lord dominik's regards would not be changed but I do feel it needs to cost 3000 for how well it counters armor.

Sniper 01 votes

Last whisper is situational... just not in this meta with high base damage tanks being king, and Malphite .

Irelia Bot1 votes

Losing 900 effective gold value of armor when having frozen heart because of an item that is 100 less gold then frozen heart is not really making me feel any better about the LW items current state. The 425 for upgrading to LW with the 400 for the combine cost of the LW items is jsut too low for how much effective power the items have. This is not even counting the GIANT SLAYER passive which is also really powerful.

LW items could cost more and they would still be good and still be bought.

And I am not seeing Frozen heart being bought a whole lot when IBG and Sterak's are in the game.

The damage dealing tank items are over the top and the counters to straight up armor are too strong. While MR and the % current health BotRK is too weak.

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