Design wise. Wouldn't having Mid lane Juggernauts/Bruisers/Tanks be something worth exploring?

Malicious Metal··7 votes·732 views

Galio and Mordekaiser come to mind.

With Marksmen starting to see play in other lanes too I think it's time to open up other lanes for the tanky folk that tends to roll top lane. Why you may ask? Simple;

it offers a lot of strategically interesting perks as it allows for different team comps where you have a squishy top lane carry. Currently you KINDA need to be tanky if you want to play top lane, gimping your own team if you do fall behind on a damage-heavy squishy like Riven or Irelia.

So why not allow some durable champions to be played Mid lane as their primary role, allowing their team to rally behind the bulk that is their defenses.

All it takes is these champions having: A) good (ranged) wave clear B) Be AP based in order to not gimp a team's damage output C) Be able to hold their own against ranged champions

So, are we going to see this design explored more now that we got Galio's VGU and Mordekaiser, another contender, being slated for a VGU?

11 Comments

Sohleks3 votes

It's hard to not make them super good top lane too. Or just generically too good in general. And make them interactive mid lane.

Ranged waveclear + tank are both traits that are powerhouses in high elo gameplay ESPECIALLY if combined. Hard to dive. Hard to manipulate lane into favorable trade situations. It's mainly why Galio is a problem (with having "global" on top of that)

Heck doesn't have to be waveclear. It's tank + range. Then we're talking about Gnar and Mundo. Gnar which they let be OP because of his high skill ceiling and "gameplay" and Mundo they keep a tight leash on.

Perhaps we can let them have MELEE waveclear tanky. Still the same deal though. Hurts mid lane competitive more than top lane actually. Then you have a top laner.

Poske2 votes

Sounds good doesnt work

They would end up being useless Or they would end up being toplaners/junglers

Mens Hair Club1 votes

juggernauts mid are a counterpick to assassins because they do not have the roaming potential most mids have, but they're very good at shitting on people who get in their face or leave their lane to let them push Illaoi and maybe Urgot

also >implying going full AD will actually detriment you anymore

there's a high diamond garen mid player, too

Noxian Pride1 votes

Galio is not a juggernaut. He doesn't do enough damage and he's too mobile.

The problem with juggernauts mid/bot is juggernaut builds are traditionally anti-all in. In a lane where melee isn't the prominent champion type, you're going to get poked to death without some serious outplaying.

There's a reason the most popular anti-Darius picks (Riven/Fiora aside) are all ranged.

Urgot MIGHT be an exception to the rule. I'm not familiar enough with him and to be fair his range also makes calling him a juggernaut pushing the definition a bit, even if that is where he fits. On top of this juggernauts as a whole are incredibly immobile and not ideal for the kind of roams many midlaners are known for.

ProfDrDeath1 votes

Hmm. Possibly.

What they should explore first, though, would be non-XP-dependent non-Marksman bot laners.

Malevolent Metal1 votes

Every now and then there is that Riven/Lee player trying their luck on mid.

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

The only reason they really would go mid I'd say, is when your afraid of say... Zed or talon snow balling all over your squishies

Critmaster Garen1 votes

this is nothing new. you can already play juggernauts on mid lane into a lot of matchups.

ive been running mid lane garen on occation against certain assassins for the last couple seasons, and there is a mid diamond garen main on NA who onetricks garen mid lane.

Shuriman Curator1 votes

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this is nothing new. you can already play juggernauts on mid lane into a lot of matchups.

ive been running mid lane garen on occation against certain assassins for the last couple seasons, and there is a mid diamond garen main on NA who onetricks garen mid lane.

Garen mid, is surprisingly good. I find it funny actually lol

Spoofghoul1 votes

Sion been playing this guy mid since the rework (and before that too on occasion)

Just made sense

spam E from safe ranges on the squishy guys without sustain

Use R after max range E on the pesky mage who can't dash out of the way

Just made sense to me

Shuriman Curator1 votes

Is Urgot mid a thing? Just curious

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