Honestly, you cant tell me adcs are balanced anymore

Penns·10/19/2017, 12:09:01 AM·65 votes·2,889 views

I still see people saying "its only 1-2 broken adcs" or "only supports make them broken" (which is kind of true but adcs are a problem too, and blaming Ardent after the nerf is just ignoring a way bigger issue imo).

There actually isnt a single adc that is doing bad right now. Twitch is at 53% win rate and the lowest adc that is actually played bot is Cait at almost 49%, because theyre all opie lul.

Lucian and Corki were "too bad" for bot lane, yet they were so strong mid and Lucian even top that they got nerfed, same will/would happen with Ezreal jungle if preseason wasnt coming in 2 patches.... idk about that class dud xd

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Rebonack10/19/2017, 2:24:38 AM34 votes

Riot broke the Dps < Burst < Tank < Dps equation with the Assassin update. Then they made it worse with the Tank update and then even WORSE by buffing crit items. It isn't any one thing, but a combination of things that has made Marksmen too resistant to getting blown up.

And this coming from a Kog otp.

Yara010/19/2017, 3:40:32 AM13 votes

my favorite is when im playing a burst mid (the people that are supposed to be able to kill the adc) and the adc bursts me faster then i can burst them for some fucking reason despite landing every single ability on them. can we just get rid of crit its so out of hand and getting rid of it would put adc in a stable state making them actually balanceable.

ManWithNoBeard10/19/2017, 12:40:35 AM12 votes

They are not. Jungle deserves to be the role that should be most decisive to a win, Not ADC, Because:

Junglers have the most macro to do.
Junglers have to outsmart 5 PEOPLE. Top laners care about top, Mid laners occasionally roam, Bot lane groups mid and wins game or pushes bot and wins game(current meta). 3.Junglers get the MOST flame.

The only other role that i am comfortable being OP is burst Mid Lane. BECAUSE IT IS PURE SKILL, NOT RIGHT CLICKING.

IcyPepper10/19/2017, 2:52:04 AM11 votes

When the main balance for the ADC class is that the other team will have one too, I begin to question the reasoning.

Sp33d Zer010/19/2017, 8:20:56 AM7 votes

"No adc is doing bad right now" because they are all around the same power level. Bot lane has the tightest level of balance of any role right now (noting bot lane as marksman, not as the duo lane, i.e role selection). Every single marksman has something they can bring to a team. Yes there are outliers that are stronger than others, but considering there is only an 8% difference between the worst adcs (who are now a mid laner and jungler; putting us closer to a 5% difference), and the best ADCs, that is pretty well balanced.

Think about it, saying they are imbalanced because they are all tight on their win rates is the same argument as "ADC has no impact on the game, they all just get carried by their team or auto lose", because hey, that makes a 50% win rate.

Æ PandaDerp10/19/2017, 2:10:36 AM6 votes

better buff zed

Snowplosion10/19/2017, 2:21:07 PM5 votes

Lucian mid is a joke. Please don't play it. You might win but you lose like seventy-five percent of matchups.

DuskDaUmbreon10/19/2017, 2:29:23 PM4 votes

Yeah. I can. Most marksmen aren't that good.

Elikain10/19/2017, 9:57:23 AM3 votes

"There isn't a single Marksman that's bad RN". Aside from Trist, Twitch, Xayah, Kalista, Kog, Varus (not mentioning mid Corki and jungle Ez), the rest of the cast is undetectable by sensors. So it clearly isn't "Marksmen class is out of line" type of a thing. It's Ardent Censer that's strong, which makes these hypercarry Marksmen come online too soon.

WiegrafOfValor10/19/2017, 6:37:58 PM3 votes

I just hate when ADCs bring winrates to the table because ADCs just play vs ADCs, so if let's say Tristana and Twitch are played most of the time against each other, their winrates won't be as higher as an "oppressive" mage in mid lane, because every match loses against a Twitch her winrate will drop, but that won't necessarily mean she's weak or worse, same for every other ADCs that are not played as much.

Winrates doesn't mean much with ADCs since they are obligatory bot lane and are played against each other 100% of the time, and even if you just nerf the top winrate ADCs, adc mains will just go 2 steps down in the ladder and pick the other broken ADCs that weren't as good as the top tier ones. It's not the same if Tanks are OP, because you'll see a drop in winrates and playrate of the others roles that compete against them on TOP lane.

Dorans Pants10/19/2017, 8:59:44 PM3 votes

just nerf the rat already

Athenes Lulu10/19/2017, 4:21:31 AM2 votes

Jhin

Ariel the Cruel10/19/2017, 4:27:55 PM2 votes

ADC's are balanced. Both teams have one (with few exceptions), and their game impact is the same for most of them (compared to each other). The teams hard supports them making each ADC the teams "raid boss."

When the games is designed around 1 class being strong; that class is balanced by being strong. You want to fix the ADC problem? Stop make the game revolve around them.

Shablagoo10/20/2017, 5:49:24 AM1 votes

When you have a class that requires no skill and gets free burst dmg besides it being undodgable really makes for a bad combo. I mean adc's did use to take skill, especially draven and vayne, they had to work really hard with their supp to stay alive and survive it was tough. But now that supports are literally op as shit with shield boosters, adc's dont even have to worry about being killed. Auto attacking and moving in between though doesnt take much skill now that you get shields that block all dmg and heals that make dmg look like it did nothing. And then there is this idea that adc's are a dps class, on who? I dont understand this they only really do dps on tanks when they dont have item 3036 or crit, apart from that they literally burst things as fast as a burst mage and assassins with duskblade. Not to mention adc's aren't limited by cd, delays, and skillshots, just time. You literally need to keep killing an adc so they can't farm or finish in like 10-15 mins or they will comback and twoshot you. The bot lane in general needs to be looked at, for Riot to preach counterplay, adc's really dont have one, being able to die fast is the same for old assassins but they still needed to be changed, when rengar built full crit he was squishy but still could oneshot your whole team. That isnt counterplay.

LordGeovanni10/20/2017, 8:32:43 AM1 votes

TO have an anymore you would have had to be balanced some time in the past. only adc i can think of as being balanced was season 3 Miss Fortune

bleufromage10/20/2017, 2:30:07 AM1 votes

The thing is most all adcs will have a pretty similar rate no matter what because all adcs essentially do the same thing, autoattack. Sure some will be better than others because of abilities and item synergy but they are picked for thier dps. Every other position on sr is much more diverse in what the champions do and how they do it.