Thank God Leblanc isn't part of the assassin rework, Thank you Riot.

taleofsonata··6 votes·2,740 views

As someone who plays mid alot, Leblanc is a Niche pick, only the goods Leblanc can reign terror just like Shaco. Alot of people in low elo keep saying that she doesn't have counterplay. The counterplay is THERE, you just have to wear Glasses. The longer a player play against Leblanc the better they get. Back when I first started League I was scared of Leblanc, but as I started playing her more and more I realize that she isn't that scary after all. She is rewarded for doing the Right plays and punished for doing the wrong plays. Although even if she does the wrong plays, you gotta pray that the enemies would fall off for her Clone.

Now I'm not scared of Leblanc, I can play Ziggs, Karthus, Xerath any champion and can still stand on my own against her lane bullying. She is very Item Dependant and is easely shutdown by building 1 MR item. I always say this, If you build 1 MR item and you manage to survive her full burst you can retaliate. (Unless she has ignite)

Gameplay wise: Alot of youtubers high elo thinks she is what an assassins should be.

  1. Kill Priority Target and GET OUT.
  2. Slippery.
  3. High Single Target Damage.
  4. Mobility.
  5. Fun to Play

She is played alot in the LCS because of her Reliability, she has a fair winrate and even if she has a positive score, she doesn't always win games.

Leblanc taught me how to CS with auto attack.

If you want an assassin to play you should try Leblanc, she has a low skillfloor and endless skillcap.

39 Comments

LostFr0st5 votes

Umm...

Akali Ekko Evelynn Fizz Kassadin Katarina Kha'Zix LeBlanc Rengar Shaco Talon Zed

taleofsonata2 votes

Note that this is not a guarantee that any specific champion will get changes - we're still exploring which champions will best fit this update."

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/06/red-post-collection-ask-riot-on.html Ekko Akali Evelynn Kha'zix Rengar Talon Zed Diana

Shaco is getting a rework that is why he isn't mentioned by them.

Leblanc Kassadin Fizz Katarina Hasn't been clarified. They won't receive much gameplay update. Maybe numbers changes? Mana cost adjustment?

LostFr0st1 votes

I highly doubt anyone on that list won't at least get small tweaks. My vote for big six is Akali Fizz Katarina Rengar Shaco Talon

taleofsonata2 votes

Remember Lissandra? They said they would change her Passive. NOTHING EVER HAPPENED TO HER. Not to mention her Q cost 85 Mana, while every other mages got their cost reduced to 60 and below

LostFr0st1 votes

On the pbe post they said they wouldn't change her passive. I know a ton of people were vocal in telling Riot to change it, but they said it had good gameplay and therefore "no."

taleofsonata1 votes

Would have been better to switch that Passive with Xerath but then again Riot went like, But there will be no Lane interaction between Xerath and his Laner because we want Xerath to go into a vulnerable range and auto attack the Zed.

LostFr0st1 votes

Liss is much shorter range than Xerath, I see their point. Xerath can auto anything to get the mana; not just the Zed lol.

taleofsonata1 votes

Last time I auto attacked a Zed with Xerath I went 1/6/5. It was a very scary moment, he snowballed off that 1 kill.

LostFr0st1 votes

Sounds like a fun time.

taleofsonata1 votes

At least Vs Leblanc I could E her while she W. This guy just BLINK BLINK BLINK.

LostFr0st1 votes

Yeah, once he's 6 it's a pain in the butt, just like 45% cdr Fizz. The changes last patch made the Zed lane more bearable though.

So, IF you were to change LB, what would you do to her?

taleofsonata2 votes

Her Biggest Problem is CSing. I Myself am very skilled at CSing with her but unable to retaliate insane pusher like Morgana, Azir, Viktor. Against good player whenever I try to use my W to CS to push back the wave I get Poked by a Deathray, Azir Q,AA, Xerath Laser. The Worst is Zed, He would send his shadow at Lb location and she would eat a full WEQ.

She depends on snowballing, AN ADC that doesn't die in 1 combo result in her Dying. She is probably as squishy as Sona LAte game. I just wish her W would do Damage increase on Minion, enough to one shot caster minions. Her Q Mana cost should refund half mana for Last hitting a minion.

A Leblanc that can't snowball is not useful just like shaco.

Champion like Syndra, Zed are lane bullies that never runs out of mana, Leblanc has to constantly Auto attack minions to Level up as quick as possible to abuse the power gap between 1 Level.

LostFr0st1 votes

So she has some of the same problems that Swain had then. Interesting.

I think her Q has potential for changes if anything. Not because of point-click, but because everything else on her is so iconic. I do love the plays she can make with her passive out though, but it's already out pretty often.

I really don't like that LB has nothing to give if she's behind.

taleofsonata1 votes

Not only that, She has probably the lowest HEalth and Armor, she does awefull against AD assassins, you have to god damn pray they jump on your clone instead of you. 2 Auto attack of An aDC is enough to kill LEBLANC. Ever seen that video of Voyboy Leblanc getting 1 auto attack from Corki? He Q E AA and her hp pop way too fast. He died in like 0.12 sec.

LostFr0st1 votes

Yeah, I'm aware of how squish she is. Her squish won't change though; unless the update is optimal when built tank.

Oleandervine1 votes

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So she has some of the same problems that Swain had then. Interesting.

I think her Q has potential for changes if anything. Not because of point-click, but because everything else on her is so iconic. I do love the plays she can make with her passive out though, but it's already out pretty often.

I really don't like that LB has nothing to give if she's behind.

Now I disagree that the rest of her kit is "iconic." Her most iconic and unique spells are W and R, the others, to me, are just filler spells to give her more burst.

LostFr0st1 votes

I like seeing her take the buffs with the chains :x I know that's a dumb reason to call the spell iconic. No one else has chains or a way to take blue as cool as Lb to me.

I don't even play Lb, but her clone, chains, and pads are what stick in my head.

fancyassgrits1 votes

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Not only that, She has probably the lowest HEalth and Armor, she does awefull against AD assassins, you have to god damn pray they jump on your clone instead of you. 2 Auto attack of An aDC is enough to kill LEBLANC. Ever seen that video of Voyboy Leblanc getting 1 auto attack from Corki? He Q E AA and her hp pop way too fast. He died in like 0.12 sec. I would recommend scaling health seals on her to make up for her low max health. Other than that distortion is the only way to get away from champs like Yas and Zed.

LostFr0st1 votes

Were you trying to reply to Sonata or me? Pretty sure schealth seals are the norm for most mids, but thanks if you did intend the tip for me^^

Zane Zephyr1 votes

Lmao, Leblanc is busted as fuck and you want one of her rare weaknesses gone? Are you mad?

Farming with her is a pain and it's definitely something she needs to keep.

LostFr0st1 votes

That's exactly what people claimed about Swain. He's not balanced yet by far but he's better off for it.

Catastrop1 votes

The ult change was a compromise to this because they couldn't think of anything fitting. Also, Liss with 60 mana on Q would be a nightmare in the early game.

BladeSteel2 votes

They said that akali will be getting a bigger change later, same with eve, so they "probably" won't be putting those two in the "big six" (they might still but... probably not). So just small changes for them, but bigger for the others. (shaco getting a bigger change too so idk about him, I know for a fact they said akali and eve would most likely not be a big change this time around because they need a full update)

LostFr0st1 votes

Yeah, I know... I can still wish though. But thank you.

Poske2 votes

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As someone who plays mid alot, Leblanc is a Niche pick, only the goods Leblanc can reign terror just like Shaco. Alot of people in low elo keep saying that she doesn't have counterplay. The counterplay is THERE, you just have to wear Glasses. The longer a player play against Leblanc the better they get. Back when I first started League I was scared of Leblanc, but as I started playing her more and more I realize that she isn't that scary after all. She is rewarded for doing the Right plays and punished for doing the wrong plays. Although even if she does the wrong plays, you gotta pray that the enemies would fall off for her Clone.

Now I'm not scared of Leblanc, I can play Ziggs, Karthus, Xerath any champion and can still stand on my own against her lane bullying. She is very Item Dependant and is easely shutdown by building 1 MR item. I always say this, If you build 1 MR item and you manage to survive her full burst you can retaliate. (Unless she has ignite)

Gameplay wise: Alot of youtubers high elo thinks she is what an assassins should be.

  1. Kill Priority Target and GET OUT.
  2. Slippery.
  3. High Single Target Damage.
  4. Mobility.
  5. Fun to Play

She is played alot in the LCS because of her Reliability, she has a fair winrate and even if she has a positive score, she doesn't always win games.

Leblanc taught me how to CS with auto attack.

If you want an assassin to play you should try Leblanc, she has a low skillfloor and endless skillcap.

Le blanc is a perfect champion But are you sure she isnt getting rework. I would be really happy if thats the case because any change can completly ruin her

She is like A Diamond atm Pure Perfection its impossible to change her without ruining her

Michael Sykes1 votes

so as it seems, there are just other assassins like Akali/Rengar which need major changes. She is a perfect designed assassin - there are not many reasons to change her. And her burst speed is normally not faster than 0.5 seconds (Rengar is unhealthy because he literally oneshots people without counterplay)

Blåbæret1 votes

LB also oneshots people. She also has very little counterplay as well as being EXTREMELY safe to play with several ways of escape. She doesn't have a healthy design at all. Assassins should be high risk, 90% of the assassins currently have at least one or more ways to escape with ease, that's not how it should be.

Michael Sykes1 votes

I am sorry, but you are wrong - the escape is going to be the main part of assassins

Blåbæret1 votes

Nope it ain't. LB sees a lot of competitive play so expect nerfs & changes

Until then enjoy your freelo champ.

Michael Sykes1 votes

okay, you are not able to discuss at topic. Maybe you would change your opinion if you read this

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses

and many champions do see way more competitive play. She has a low pickrate compared to other competitive picks at the moment

warpenguin5552 votes

{quoted}

Just to help give you guys a better idea of the pool of champions we're talking about, here's a list of Assassins we are currently considering as candidates:

  • Akali
  • Ekko
  • Evelynn
  • Fizz
  • Kassadin
  • Katarina
  • Kha'Zix
  • LEBLANC
  • Rengar
  • Shaco
  • Talon
  • Zed

Note that this is not a guarantee that any specific champion will get changes - we're still exploring which champions will best fit this update.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

I am sure she will be reworked... with plenty of Counterplay Windows installed.

Riot will say, ''She will still deal buckets of burst damage... in ways that are fair to the opponent.''

And then she gets huge nerfs across the board, with artificial number buffs here and there but at the cost of insanely telegraphed attacks.

taleofsonata1 votes

Riot said this once and will better keep their word. Leblanc always deal the strongest burst and will always be like that. She is Telegraphing what she is doing, she has option to undo those telegraph. Throw a Nidalee Q at her, throw a Xerath E at her, Throw an Ahri charm at her. I'm sure you'll hit her even if she undo.

Oleandervine1 votes

I hate to bust your bubbles, but if something is perfectly designed, they should be able to nerf and buff the champion without said change utterly destroying them or pushing them so far over the limits that they're permabanned. LeBlanc is far, far from "perfectly balanced" exactly because of this. This is why she will need some changes, to pull her in line with a modern kit design that will allow them to nerf and buff accordingly without wrecking her or the Rift.

taleofsonata2 votes

Leblanc Kit itself is unique there is no champion like Leblanc. She Dash, she doesn't Blink like Kassadin and Zed, she doesn't have invicibility like Fizz E. She is perfectly designed and should not be touched at all, she is the Pearl of League just like Heimerdinger. Unique champion that cannot be replicated. Vel koz was perfectly designed and you see what they did to him, There is no Perfection you can only Achieve what you have aimed. The creator of Leblanc Achieved what he aimed, a unique champion. Zed has kit stolen from LEblanc, like his WW, unecessary % passive, AD ratio bonus passive on his W.

Oleandervine1 votes

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Leblanc Kit itself is unique there is no champion like Leblanc. She Dash, she doesn't Blink like Kassadin and Zed, she doesn't have invicibility like Fizz E. She is perfectly designed and should not be touched at all, she is the Pearl of League just like Heimerdinger. Unique champion that cannot be replicated. Vel koz was perfectly designed and you see what they did to him, There is no Perfection you can only Achieve what you have aimed. The creator of Leblanc Achieved what he aimed, a unique champion. Zed has kit stolen from LEblanc, like his WW, unecessary % passive, AD ratio bonus passive on his W.

You missed my point. She's not perfect because she's volatile. Any change has dramatic effects on her, good or bad. That isn't perfection. Sure, she's unique, but her kit design is ancient, from a time where most kits were still fairly experimental and they didn't have as much grasp on the overarching view of game health. A kit like hers wouldn't be designed today just because of how prone to being godlike or garbage it is. She has to have changes to bring her in line and achieve stability. Her most unique parts of her kit are the passive, W, and R. They can easily scrap the Q (Katarina, Kennen copycat) and E (Karma, Morgana copycat) for better tools that can lead to her being an easily balanced champion.

taleofsonata1 votes

Assassins aren't a balanced role and has never been a role. It is a role that is only owned by players who have been honing their skills with them. They always have the lowest Winrate and should be a Niche picks. Leblanc has option to assassinate the priority target, if one of her option is impossible to do she can do it another way. The thing with Leblanc is that her Kit synergize together, nerfing or buffing could make a big change to her. A champion that has a Kit that doesn't synergize together are like Kog maw, Aurelion Sol, Taliyah. Why get Kog Q? while his WER are much more useful to max 1st. Aurelion Sol is just too Ackward to use his E is probably useless because of the Telegraph and the passive on his E is only good because it offers movement speed. Taliyah has a Role problem, is she a kiting champion, a poke champion, a chasing champion? There is nothing that really defines her besides throwing rocks.

I don't Really think Leblanc Q or E are copycats because they do bring unique gameplay to Leblanc, unlike Katarina morgana. Leblanc Q, she can decide to Q again W or E. She can E then E to Stun lock a tank charging at your ADC. Katarina Q and she goes all QERW full button smashing combo. Morgana QW, And then Press R and sits next to you auto attacking you. No zhonya you die, very horrible in her kit.

spombjop1 votes

Akali doesn't need rework, she needs her nerf to be reverted. That's all.

taleofsonata1 votes

She does needs ones, Tank Akali is running rampant and is something that the community dislike. Tank Leblanc? Does that even exist? Nope because of her ridiculously low base health armor and armor per level .

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