Project Ashe's arrow needs to be more visible on Summoner's Rift.

Rim Surfer·Aug 5, 2016·243 votes·14,563 views

I'm colorblind, and Project Ashe's ultimate blends in extremely well with the grass on Summoner's Rift. The arrow is also very wispy looking, and that makes it even harder to see. I've been hit with so many ults from Project Ashe simply because I was unable to see them, especially when I'm focusing on something else. Please change the color, make it less wispy, or somehow more distinguishable for colorblind (or even non-colorblind) players like me.

84 Comments

NahuiAug 5, 201660 votes

My only problem is the arrow doesn't look like an arrow, it looks just like a massive energy cloud. Although I'm not dumb and can identify it as the ult, my reaction time to that is much slower than any other skin. They could've made it cool and Project-y but still retained the look of an arrow.

Although not color blind, I understand where your frustration is coming from and I would not be surprised if League made visual changes soon.

Rim SurferAug 5, 201613 votes

Yeah, the fact that it's an energy cloud what what I meant when I referred to it as "wispy looking". If it were still an arrow, I would definitely be able to tell it was an Ashe ult.

Dr PoroAug 5, 20169 votes

Indeed. Because it looks less like an Ashe ult, it takes longer to react to it. Also, I have flashed from project Ashe's E because it looks very much alike (although a lot smaller but when you need to make a decision instantly, you sometimes don't think clearly) which I never did anytime before.

warpenguin555Aug 7, 20161 votes

better than my teammates flashing from a base ashe skin hawkshot. i mean i get not wanting to be spotted by thats a little much right lol

Golden CrowAug 6, 20161 votes

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My only problem is the arrow doesn't look like an arrow, it looks just like a massive energy cloud. Although I'm not dumb and can identify it as the ult, my reaction time to that is much slower than any other skin. They could've made it cool and Project-y but still retained the look of an arrow.

Although not color blind, I understand where your frustration is coming from and I would not be surprised if League made visual changes soon.

Same. I was like 'wtf is dat' when I saw ashe ult coming. Ashe's E looked more like the ult than the actual ult. I'm not even color blind.

warpenguin555Aug 7, 20161 votes

same. it missed when i 1st saw it so assumed it was hawkshot, then it came again and i was like, wait hawkshot has a drone wtf is this. then i got stunned

R FLASH XDAug 5, 201629 votes

I'm not colorblind but I agree that it's really hard to see

warpenguin555Aug 7, 20161 votes

same yeah. im not sure if its because im so used to seeing hawkshot that light so i ignore the arrow but yeah its really annoying

RiotmoonstonesAug 7, 201626 votes

Hey folks!

Thanks for taking the time to point this out (and to everyone who upvoted/commented as well)! I'd be happy to follow up with the team on Monday to talk about this. ^-^

EDIT: We're discussing the pain points listed in this thread and are discussing the best way to solve for the issues.

ModAttysu The PoroAug 7, 20165 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PHPzMzrh,comment-id=0023,timestamp=2016-08-07T02:20:33.328+0000)

Hey folks!

Thanks for taking the time to point this out (and to everyone who upvoted/commented as well)! I'd be happy to follow up with the team on Monday to talk about this. ^-^

Thank you for looking at my tweet, I was hoping you'd see this cause it's actually a huge problem. [slayer-jinx-catface] Even without colorblindness, sending out a Hawkshot with PROJECT Ashe makes people burn flashes cause it's just so darn similar.

Cosmic WarperAug 7, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PHPzMzrh,comment-id=0023,timestamp=2016-08-07T02:20:33.328+0000)

Hey folks!

Thanks for taking the time to point this out (and to everyone who upvoted/commented as well)! I'd be happy to follow up with the team on Monday to talk about this. ^-^

Can you also take a look at Project Ekko's passive please? It's pretty difficult to see on minions and monsters.

RiotmoonstonesAug 8, 20162 votes

Hey! We're in the process of updating that particle. :)

JunkοAug 8, 20161 votes

Can you update Dark Crystal Ryze's E mark too please.

JunkοAug 7, 20161 votes

Hey, can you also look at PROJECT Ekko's passive and Dark Crystal Ryze's E? Both are really hard to see for me.

ArkatraAug 7, 20161 votes

Could look up Project ashe Q stack glowing aswell? It's really hard to see as a skin owner and as enemy aswell when it's ready. (Mainly when Ashe is hooded, so the bow glowing much more as basic)

DeclinedAug 7, 20163 votes

I keep getting hit by Project Ashe's ulti because I keep mistaking it for her E.

AerothalAug 8, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PHPzMzrh,comment-id=0023,timestamp=2016-08-07T02:20:33.328+0000)

Hey folks!

Thanks for taking the time to point this out (and to everyone who upvoted/commented as well)! I'd be happy to follow up with the team on Monday to talk about this. ^-^

do you have an update yet?

RiotmoonstonesAug 8, 20161 votes

We're discussing the pain points listed in this thread and are discussing the best way to solve for the issues.

AManHasNoRankAug 8, 20161 votes

Please take into account Howling Abyss as well, it's damn near invisible.

RiotmoonstonesAug 8, 20162 votes

Rgr that - it's on our list. :)

KivolanAug 5, 201616 votes

It looks too similar to hawkshot.

KnoyleAug 5, 20166 votes

Thought ashe was trying to bait my summs with her E. She was actually ulting...

Dominick DestineAug 5, 201615 votes

I am not color blind.

I have been caught off guard by Project Ashe's arrow because it doesn't stand out at all.... it blends in with her other skills and is a blatant advantage.

RookPusherAug 5, 201613 votes

It's just visually similar to everything else in her kit. I'm thankful the enemy Ashe whiffed 3 before I had to pay attention.

As it stands, the Project skin now gives players who buy it an advantage.

YJRBqwXJcSAug 5, 201613 votes

colorblind isn't even the problem, i legit can't see the arrow until it hits me

DrCyanideAug 5, 20169 votes

Honestly, something about it makes me think "Hawkshot", which leads to me not dodging it, which leads to bad times. I wouldn't be surprised if Ashe has a noticeable win rate improvement with this skin on vs with it off.

DeathBurstAug 5, 20167 votes

Agreed, +1. It's too wispy. And I'm not Color Blind.

DREADN0UGHTAug 5, 20166 votes

Not color blind and that shit still evades my attention.

rescuedAug 6, 20165 votes

I honestly thought hawkshot was her ult a couple times. They look too similar.

Darkslayer85Aug 6, 20162 votes

Her ult is a long rod, and her hawkshot is a drone. What?

AreAug 7, 20161 votes

If you really look at it, you can tell, but in the heat of battle you might not be able to differentiate.

Darkslayer85Aug 7, 20161 votes

The drone goes one way, and the ult goes another way perpendicular to it...

warpenguin555Aug 7, 20162 votes

as in her normal hawkshot and her project ult. we are used to seeing the hawkshot being that light

Remember VilemawAug 6, 20165 votes

Hi, I'm also colorblind, I understand that it can be difficult to accommodate for some players who are. But I feel that potentially adding some contrasting borders to the Ashe arrow could help a lot. I am also struggling to see the edges on ekko's stun, once again I feel that adding any form of edge to the particles could make it far more visible and less advantageous.

TY RIOT

CanastusAug 6, 20165 votes

I also can't seem to differentiate it from her usual Hawkshot, that thing definitely needs a visual overhaul. Right now the skin's pretty much pay-to-win.

DarkRitualAug 5, 20164 votes

It also doesn't have a super distinct sound when she fires it, at least the difference is much less than her other skins, where it should probably be amplified a little more.

GalihanAug 5, 20163 votes

I'm pretty certain that unless they change how the arrow looks this will be one of those "banned from LCS" skins.

XeruonAug 6, 20163 votes

I'm not colorblind, but even I have a hard time reacting to it due to the color blending in with the river very well.

The YukehAug 6, 20163 votes

I cant say anything regarding colours, but i do agree the arrow needs way more clarity. Right now it's just like a flickering ball of plasma - its about half as wide as the hitbox, and half as long. That means its extremely hard both to pinpoint where it'll hit and to dodge it.

VvVVvVAug 6, 20162 votes

Really? All these years of dealing with Lux ult and people have a problem with the hitbox of Ashe ult?

Cant tell you how many times ive been to the side of a lux ult to the point where you could put a Volibear between me and the visual and still get melted.

Autrah FangAug 7, 20161 votes

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Really? All these years of dealing with Lux ult and people have a problem with the hitbox of Ashe ult?

Cant tell you how many times ive been to the side of a lux ult to the point where you could put a Volibear between me and the visual and still get melted.

its the same way with morg snare, nid spear, and thresh hook just to name a few. Riot has never been good at being consistent with their spell hitboxes :/

i thought they got better at it recently, but i guess i was wrong...

AdauchiAug 5, 20162 votes

SSShutTheDuckUpAug 5, 20162 votes

and here comes pay-to-win LoL

ZaryelleAug 5, 20161 votes

Even though you're probably joking, there are some aspects of certain skins that make it 'better' and can lead to being somewhat pay to win, such as the sound of firing being too different from the original and different appearances making it more difficult to detect and react to.

PartholonianAug 5, 20161 votes

There are skins that have been banned from competitive for this exact reason. I wouldn't be surprised to see Project: Ashe on that list, which would be pretty sad because they are cool looking skins.

Theiki KayleAug 6, 20161 votes

Really? I honestly didn't know that. To which skins are you referring? I'd imagine Challenger Nidalee used to be one?

NightmareAmazoXAug 6, 20161 votes

I think underworld TF is one of them. Atlantic Syndra. Can't remember more.

Autrah FangAug 7, 20161 votes

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I think underworld TF is one of them. Atlantic Syndra. Can't remember more.

i heard that Arclight Varus is as well, because his ult is hard to notice or the particle effect is smaller or something.

ThubanAug 7, 20162 votes

Looks like an arrow to me. I don't have an issue with seeing it/noticing it either. Funny part is I'm near legally blind without correction. But my color vision is literally laser accurate. I have a large problem with many moniters. I will be adjusting my monitors 500 times a day if even one color was off. Contrast is even worse, the slightest contrast changes hurt my eyes if it isn't near perfect.

But I can see how it could be a problem. It's always good to have a color blind graphic designer around. When I was in school for graphic design, I liked to work with someone that was colorblind in my class. I would always adjust my designs to be in his favor.