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People say that Riot favors ADCs over the rest of the roster...

DuskDaUmbreon·Sep 17, 2018·5 votes·1,007 views

...But Fiddle's E is Sivir's W but actually better in nearly every single way.

Better damage, better targeting (Fiddle's E bounces to targets that he can't see, and can hit the same target multiple times, and prioritizes champions much better than Sivir's W does, and has a better bounce radius), bounces faster, has a silence...

Legit the only thing Sivir's W has going over Fiddle's E is that it can hit more than 6 targets. Of course, though, it's never going to do so against anything except minions.

Then again, maybe it's just Fiddle favoritism, given that his E is also nearly as good as Brand's ult (And is completely better once you pass a certain AP threshold); he has a point and click instant fear, while Shaco is stuck with a delayed one for half the duration; and is one of the last point and click draintanks now that Riot removed that from Aatrox...

...Okay. I do know it's not favoritism, and more just Riot probably forgot about him. But for the love of god he's still oppressive beyond belief in any lane, nearly impossible to 1v1 because of his W and Q, impossible to poke down due to his W, and borderline impossible to kill before he kills your entire team in a teamfight because of his entire fucking kit. The only reason people lose on him is because another lane feeds their asses off too much for even a scripter with perfect macro to carry, or because they're drunk/high/asleep/afk/too stupid to actually right-click.

Bit of a rant, sorry.

25 Comments

MrFawknSunshineSep 17, 20183 votes

people will say whatever they are bias against to support their argument.

Beatrice fallsSep 17, 20183 votes

I can do the same, look to make retarded comparisons that don't make sense

Tristana W is the same as evolved Khazix E, deals more damage, has a slow related to it and is available from level 1 and doesn't need to be upgraded, and also has more reset, and also has more range on her AA and consistent dps

Comparing 2 champions that have nothing together is the most absurd thing one can do

DuskDaUmbreonSep 17, 20182 votes

Yet if I make the right comparison people will eventually start hating him almost as much as I do.

Worst case scenario for me then is that people ban Fiddle for me, letting me actually ban a counter or statistically OP champion instead of a champion that's the definition of anti-fun.

Sure, it's a slightly absurd comparison. But it's a rant and I'm honestly sick and tired of this champion being able to be picked. People ban far healthier champions over bullshit draintank anti-engage statchecks like this piece of shit, which is itself far more absurd than comparing Fiddle's E to Sivir's W.

Quiet DudeSep 17, 20182 votes

I would argue that of the 5 wheels, ADC's are the squeakiest and demand the most grease

AlzonSep 17, 20181 votes

Inhale my upvote

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

DuskDaUmbreonSep 17, 20182 votes

As a whole? Maybe. Right now, ADCs have a few class issues going on.

As an individual champion, though, I cannot actually think of a champion with less counterplay than Fiddle. The only way to kill him should not be "Keep breaking his W tether until he runs out of mana, and pray to god he doesn't kill you before then".

There is no champion in the game that ruins any fun nearly as much as Fiddle does. I would rather fucking deal with one for all Heimer, or try to play Talon into a Malzahar while three levels down, or fucking fight Trynd, or just about anything besides fighting Fiddle. Drinking battery acid sounds far more fun than fighting Fiddle even with an 8 level 4 item advantage. Retail on Black Friday sounds more fun than laning against Fiddle. I would rather watch 20 hours of Teletubbies then listen to every single Justin Bieber song 15 times each than even fucking see a Fiddle in a game again.

There is no experience worse than dealing with this bullshit point and click draintanking, team-wiping sentient middle finger of a champion.

saltranSep 17, 20182 votes

Fiddle E is not "better" than Sivir W, it's way better on early but Sivir W is definetely better once she has a few crit items.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 17, 20181 votes

50 / 55 / 60 / 65 / 70% AD for Sivir's W

60 / 80 / 100 / 120 / 140 (+ 45% AP) is Fiddle's E.

Fiddle's E has a lower scaling, but effective incoming damage will be higher for Fiddle, due to AP:AD availability ratios (assuming the base damage alone doesn't simply make it better). And then there's everything else above (better targeting, silence, better bounce speed). Fiddle's E is better nearly the entire game, until Sivir's full build.

And the odds of her getting 6 items? Not terribly high, due to the pace of games.

saltranSep 17, 20183 votes

But Sivir W can crit...trust me that you cant ignore that.

I play Sivir and you also have to count that her W is an aa reset on an adc.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 17, 20181 votes

Eh. The critting is what pushes it over the edge at full build.

Since you play Sivir, you'd know well that most crit items don't contain any AD, with IE being the only exception. This means half of your build (Two zeal items and boots) contains no actual AD, and that half is in your first four items you buy basically every time. Meaning it's not until your fifth item you have a chance of actually out-damaging him with W.

NemeBroSep 17, 20181 votes

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Eh. The critting is what pushes it over the edge at full build.

Since you play Sivir, you'd know well that most crit items don't contain any AD, with IE being the only exception. This means half of your build (Two zeal items and boots) contains no actual AD, and that half is in your first four items you buy basically every time. Meaning it's not until your fifth item you have a chance of actually out-damaging him with W.

Wow the late game carry takes longer to come online. Who'd have thought?

saltranSep 17, 20182 votes

Crit adcs like Sivir are trolling if they dont buy StormR first, which gives her: flat ad and the guaranted crit that you can use to clear the wave: it actually is awesome on Sivir because you can do W+aa crit, wait for other free crit and aa + wait another time and throw the third W aa being crit to have the max waveclear with just 1 item.

Ofc that it's not like that on a fight and that the crit has reduced dmg until you have more crit and etc etc.

But anyway I still think that Sivir W it's not straight up worse Fiddle E, it's just diferent.

And if you want my opinion about Fiddle supp I will say that's an abomination that should've never existed un the first place, just rework that fking outdated champ already.

MrFawknSunshineSep 17, 20181 votes

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50 / 55 / 60 / 65 / 70% AD for Sivir's W

60 / 80 / 100 / 120 / 140 (+ 45% AP) is Fiddle's E.

Fiddle's E has a lower scaling, but effective incoming damage will be higher for Fiddle, due to AP:AD availability ratios (assuming the base damage alone doesn't simply make it better). And then there's everything else above (better targeting, silence, better bounce speed). Fiddle's E is better nearly the entire game, until Sivir's full build.

And the odds of her getting 6 items? Not terribly high, due to the pace of games.

yet adcs arent for the most part relying on abilities to do damage, they mostly auto attack. where as any mage of any sort relies on abilities to do 90% of their damage.

Colton147Sep 17, 20182 votes

I agree; give Sivir a silence.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 17, 20181 votes

...I mean...That's one possible take on my post.

But nah. Silences go on Qs or Es. It'd be silly to have a silence available on your W.

saltranSep 17, 20181 votes

This, but unironically.

MagicFlyingLlamaSep 17, 20182 votes

Good bait

Moody PSep 17, 20182 votes

stop comparing isolated abilities of champ kits that fulfill different functions for different kits

DuskDaUmbreonSep 17, 20181 votes

It's more a rant about Fiddle disguised as saying that his E is too much stronger than Sivir's W than anything, honestly.

Fiddle's a piece of shit, and I'm honestly hoping to just find the right way to point it out that enough people will hate him so that they'll ban him for me, or for Riot to notice and rework/gut his ass.

Moody PSep 17, 20181 votes

fiddle wouldn't be an issue if riot would stop reworking the jungle and making him decide to go into lanes instead

DuskDaUmbreonSep 17, 20181 votes

I mean, even if they hadn't, though, he'd still be pretty strong in lane.

Pretty sure Fiddle was a shitty jungler and a decent laner well before any jungle changes I remember.

The thigh guySep 17, 20181 votes

Adc is the most hated role by riot. They litteraly just had a patch to try and kill off the role lol.

chipndip1Sep 17, 20181 votes

Marksman players are the most whiney base in this community, bar none.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 17, 20181 votes

I main top, t ho.

chipndip1Sep 17, 20181 votes

Given Meddler's thoughts that came out, stating that bot lane diversity got entirely nuked even thought marksmen were still the most played thing in the lane even at the high points of the 8.11 meta, my point stands regardless.

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