@Repertoir Thoughts on Current Summoner Spells?

That's an exceedingly interesting thought experiment you've provided there...

With flash, ghost, and teleport being equally powerful what spell would you pick in a given situation if you can only bring one?

This will keep my mind busy through just about every loading screen for the foreseeable future, thanks!

What, are you suggesting that Ghost might not be forced to suffer and be shit forever?

Heresy!

Well, I don't foresee any way to buff/nerf/change Flash in such a way that players won't take it over everything else, so why not just have it as a "free" SS and make the other two slots open to other options? Seems like the only way to make the others actually compete for viability and introduce meaningful choice into SS selection. That, and it's abundantly clear that the game has been balanced around it anyway, so deleting it outright is probably off the table.

An Idea I had was to simply make a "Rock, Paper, Scissors" of summoner spells, adding one that had a fair bit longer range than Flash, but couldn't go over walls. Then a slight nerf to Flash's range. This means you pick the movemement summoner you want: Over walls, longer but not over walls, Ghost or Tele. all this would do is, hopefully, break Flash's stranglehold on the summoner market, which might make people more able to try a few different things. Or the new summoner just takes it's place. Probably not though.

Are there any plans on overhauling Clarity and Clairvoyance?

Why not just make Flash a basic spell that everyone gets by default like Recall?

What I would actually like to see is flash made standard. Just, everyone automatically gets flash, and then you pick two OTHER spells as your customization. Some power or cooldown tweaks might be necessary, but I actually think the other spells are relatively well balanced, and it would give you the opportunity to actually make some choices.

I know you've been busy reaching out to the playerbase, but could you describe in detail exactly why Revive was removed and why it isn't coming back? I've seen no removal reason provided that can't be argued.

As i see it there is no need to lock summoners, but rather to give those a proper meaning.

Probably differentiating between hardcore, that gives istant benefit, and softcore that enhances the player can be more meaningful, since the summoner think "i need istant benefit or to keep a good performance for a while"?

This also means that there most be strong and healty dualities between spells, a necessary confrontation since you will always be deciding what to bring.

For this matter, maybe flash/ghost are not a good duality. Probably ghost is better as a roaming tool and needs to be comoared to teleport, that is stronger but more limitated, and a new juking/evading spell is needed to contrast flash.

Just something o was bashing my head into lately.

Why don't you split flash into 2 spells:

Flash = 270 sec CD, 450 Range, 0,325 sec casting time. Dodge = 60 sec CD, 150 Range, no casting time, 50% damage reduction during 0,250 sec.

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We know that flash is by and large a top tier summoner and everything else fights for tier 2. Generally we would say that more choice is better but in this case we haven't gone too far in trying to squash flash because we think the game is more fun and has some pretty great high "gamebreaking" moments built around the extreme power on an extreme cooldown that flash provides.

The idea that we have been kicking around if we were to ever revisit or update the summoners is to pick a few similar to flash style spells and buff them up majorly so that they could compete with smite directly (eg. ghost, teleport, etc). We'd probably have to make it so that you could only pick 1 of those "power summoners" if we knowingly made them strong.

Not forecasting any real changes, just sharing some thoughts we've had on the subject.

Did you just suggest a buff to Teleport?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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We know that flash is by and large a top tier summoner and everything else fights for tier 2. Generally we would say that more choice is better but in this case we haven't gone too far in trying to squash flash because we think the game is more fun and has some pretty great high "gamebreaking" moments built around the extreme power on an extreme cooldown that flash provides.

The idea that we have been kicking around if we were to ever revisit or update the summoners is to pick a few similar to flash style spells and buff them up majorly so that they could compete with smite directly (eg. ghost, teleport, etc). We'd probably have to make it so that you could only pick 1 of those "power summoners" if we knowingly made them strong.

Not forecasting any real changes, just sharing some thoughts we've had on the subject.

Why not just add a third summoner spell slot for flash, and players get two summs of their choice + flash? It would be even better if this made it so that flash was not affected by summoner spell cdr. This would allow cleanse/ignite mid laners, more fights top, etc.

it would be cool if clairvoyance interacted with Sighstone directly

Is there a reason as to why you guys don't try to buff some of the lacking summoner spells? For example, clarity?

I find it weird that Riot has recently taken more of a "pro-Flash" stance, especially considering in the past that other Rioters on the core design team have attested to Flash being "too strong" and stating that it "leads to a much more passive play experience".

I'm personally of the opinion that Flash as a Summoner Spell (rather than a stat-less item with further limitations as it exists in DotA2) is something that damages the game much more than it enriches it. Its kind of like Focus Attacks in Street Fighter 4--which existed on all characters by default, despite not all types of characters benefiting from it the same way, or even as much as some others. What I like about Street Fighter 5 is that, despite the Focus Attack being a very intentional mechanic in its predecessor, it's being removed in favor of more personalized "V-Triggers" that are built around each character's playstyle rather than the other way around.

League seems to be having a problem with mobility creep in general, which along with knockups are used too frequently and given out at such a minor cost simply due to being an easy way to make a character "feel good"--if League were a twitch-action game like Quake or Unreal Tournament, giving everybody some sort of burst mobility could be fine because mobility would be a much larger part of the game. However, League's origins from the ARTS genre and click-to-move controls make it a much more strategically focused game, and the overabundance of mobility stifles the breadth of character types that are allowed to feel satisfying (ie. good luck enjoying that Xerath vs. Fizz matchup when the dude can jump onto you from half the lane away and still outdamage you).

Hopefully this stance is something that's reconsidered in the future. The day Flash is normalized as a mandatory Summoner Spell is the day League is dead in my eyes.