If DFT is gonna have an ad ratio too. Then let Warlords give spell vamp too.

ShadowParker·Mar 13, 2016·217 votes·7,197 views

There's so many more options for Ad's. By allowing this, this may open up some more build paths.

I'm tired of this ad favoritism.

172 Comments

StephenizgodMar 13, 201660 votes

The only issue I can see with this is, pretty much all AP champions don't really benefit from Lifesteal, but most AD champions will benefit from both Lifesteal and Spellvamp. This would be ridiculous on Jax and such.

weeaboomerMar 13, 20163 votes

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The only issue I can see with this is, pretty much all AP champions don't really benefit from Lifesteal, but most AD champions will benefit from both Lifesteal and Spellvamp. This would be ridiculous on Jax and such.

jax and who else?

WimbledofyMar 13, 201618 votes

ez, varus, wukong, yi, yasuo, ww, riven, etc. Basically any champion that has an ability. well it would work on them at least, i don't know if it would really be ridiculous or not.

BUDDHISTINKMar 14, 20164 votes

irelia.

DeathBot666Mar 14, 20163 votes

I believe we forgot Akali, Tristana, and WW. Although, this could also be useful to AP champs such as Diana, Twisted Fate, and pretty much every melee AP champion.

It Hertz When IPMar 14, 20162 votes

Lee Sin

crippler38Mar 14, 20167 votes

vlad oh my god how could ANYONE forget VLAD?!

SHlTBUGMar 14, 20163 votes

he isnt ad

crippler38Mar 14, 20164 votes

isn't the topic if warlords gave spellvamp?

da gloriousMar 15, 20162 votes

The topic was how a lot of ad champs benefit from spellvamp as well as lifesteal, so adding spellvamp to bloodlust would buff it for a lot of ad champs.

TeCoolMageMar 14, 20162 votes

Doesn't need auto attacks

StephenizgodMar 13, 201618 votes

See Wimbledofy's comment and add in Mordekaiser and Corki and anyone who uses AA and Abilities as well as dual scalings.

UnderscorBunniesMar 14, 20161 votes

Wouldn't anyone who builds devourer/rageblade benefit massively, or does spellvamp not work on auto-attack based damage?

(Spellvamp is a little confusing for me, is it you gain health based on magic damage you do? Or maybe magic damage you do with abilities specifically? Or is it just based on damage you do with abilities?)

Either way, if I was correct in any of the three scenarios I listed above, Kayle would benefit HUGELY wouldn't she?

WimbledofyMar 14, 20164 votes

"Spell vamp is an offensive stat that converts a percentage of the ability damage dealt to health regained. Activated abilities that do not state they "apply on-hit effects" or modify your "next basic attack" will benefit from spell vamp."

ChaoticPineconeMar 14, 20162 votes

From what i can understand, spellvamp only applies to abilities. If you want some healing from on-hit, Gunblade goes of all damage dealt, and Deaths Dance goes off all physical damage dealt.

Cosmic WarperMar 14, 20164 votes

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jax and who else?

Jax, akali, morde, kayle, corki (maybe), yasuo, kennen, quinn, graves, etc.

The Yetii RiderMar 14, 20162 votes

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jax and who else?

Pantheon (Spear Shot can critically strike and is single target), single target nukes like Garen, Darius and Lee Sin.

WadeWilson1337Mar 14, 20162 votes

Kayle MasterYi XinZhao Shyvana ...basically any attack speed champion.

NekusenMar 13, 20163 votes

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The only issue I can see with this is, pretty much all AP champions don't really benefit from Lifesteal, but most AD champions will benefit from both Lifesteal and Spellvamp. This would be ridiculous on Jax and such.

Spellvamp only procs on spell damage, on-hit magic damage doesn't proc it.

Malicious MetalMar 13, 201629 votes

Mordekaiser Huehuehue

DramosMar 14, 20162 votes

MM, as he lives and breathes. ^^

Phat PatMar 14, 201612 votes

Why not make it give you lifesteal OR spellvamp depending on if you have more bonus ap or bonus ad. Simple fix

Sona PingMar 13, 201610 votes

It's not equivalent at all and it's not favoritism. It's because spellvamp is a broken stat.

JbelsMar 13, 20163 votes

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It's not equivalent at all and it's not favoritism. It's because spellvamp is a broken stat.

A broken stat that only 3 champions even consider purchasing, and is only available on 2 items in the game

Zonomai TreshtauMar 13, 20161 votes

correction, three, hextech gunblade(still has spellvamp built in it's sustain) will of the ancient, and hextech revolver

JbelsMar 13, 20162 votes

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correction, three, hextech gunblade(still has spellvamp built in it's sustain) will of the ancient, and hextech revolver

Irrelevant. Nobody wastes a slot for the extra revolver spellvamp. There might as well only be two

Zonomai TreshtauMar 13, 20164 votes

to be fair, there's actually only one item that's got TRUE spell vamp, it's revolver, the others aren't even labeled as spell vamp.

Sire HippingtonMar 14, 20162 votes

all keep forgetting item 3156 , it gives 10% real spellvamp on it's passive

NaharaMar 14, 20164 votes

And it's those champions that are the reason it's broken and why you don't see it more often.

Vladimir is like the #1 reason Spellvamp HAS to be bad and in limited supply.

Mecha MaIphiteMar 14, 20162 votes

Only three champions consider purchasing it because it was toned down, specifically for the purpose of making sure on of the aforementioned champions doesn't abuse it.

VengefulMarvMar 13, 20169 votes

Not sure why people are downvoting this. It's the truth. Riot has even flat out stated that spellvamp is a problematic stat.

Critmaster GarenMar 13, 20161 votes

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It's not equivalent at all and it's not favoritism. It's because spellvamp is a broken stat.

its not a broken stat. its just because of certain champions whos kits are focused around spellvamp Vladimir Morgana Fiddlesticks

AtanchanMar 14, 20163 votes

It is a broken stat - it's broken in concept. It's meant to be a mage's version of lifesteal, but when you boil it down it's like four mage' version of lifesteal, several champion's version of super lifesteal, and everyone else's version of wasted gold.

VengefulMarvMar 15, 20161 votes

That's rather inaccurate. Once upon a time it was a staple for pretty much all mages.
Fiddlesticks Vladimir Ryze Morgana are only the abusers you think about these days. But at one point: Kennen Katarina Akali Cassiopeia were huge problems with it too. Spell-vamp is a VERY abusive stat. It's just been nerf'ed so hard for so long most people don't remember how bad it was (or weren't around for it).

AtanchanMar 15, 20161 votes

I don't think so. While I do believe you, I still think the general gist of what I'm saying was still true even then, except just how good the numbers were on spell vamp muddled it and moved the third category to "everyone else's subpar version of lifesteal that was still solid if you built AP." You'd still have a small number of champions that used it to lifesteal's level, have somewhat more that used it way too well, and then have everyone else who doesn't make use of it to well - it's just what you were getting out of the spell vamp sources meant you weren't giving up too much and you could still see life return from them as long as you weren't an autoattacker.

And even then, Jax.

Meep ManMar 14, 20167 votes

This is a solution I have for it:

Warlord's Bloodlust If your champion has more Bonus Attack Damage than Ability Power, the champion gains increasing Life Steal as their health decreases, up to 20%. This is halved against minions. If your champion has more Ability Power than Bonus Attack Damage, the champion gains increasing Spell Vamp as their health decreases, up to 25%. This is reduced to a max of 5% against minions. Max Champion Life Steal- 20% Max Champion Spell Vamp- 25% Max Minion Life Steal- 10% Max Minion Spell Vamp- 5%

That way hybrid champions like Jax, Kayle, and the like don't abuse it to the extreme while also making it to where it isn't extremely abused for high AoE Mages. This would, of course, have to be done during or post Mage update so Vladimir doesn't abuse it as much as he would currently.

EmollientNut0Mar 13, 20164 votes

Not sure why someone downvoted this, you're making a great point. They've found a split that "works" with all the other masteries, why not this one?

My Waifu VanillaMar 13, 20165 votes

Because it would be a balancing nightmare. Most AD top laners would double dip on it extremely hard. The best decision for this would be to just make another mastery and throw it right next to Bloodlust and have 4 in that tree. Even still though most mages don't like Spell Vamp since it is generally a useless Stat until you have a LOT of it since most Mages only get 1/3 benefit and the mastery would still be nerfed to the ground by the already ruiners of spell vamp.

MilamberZMar 14, 20163 votes

Or just make a real keystone for ap User, currently, TLD is mandatory (and the only option for ap, which not forcefully fit with all ap) and DFT is garbage (except some boys Swain )

Masala ChaiMar 14, 20162 votes

Vladimir We can never have nice things.

MazariamontiMar 14, 20162 votes

The potential harm this change could bring is not worth it.

SeenanMar 14, 20161 votes

8-20% spellvamp at low hp? Akali would abuse that to high hell.

Envy SinMar 14, 20165 votes

8-20% spellvamp at low hp? Akali would abuse that to high elo.

Fixed that for ya [slayer-jinx-catface]

TeCoolMageMar 14, 20164 votes

8-20% spellvamp at low hp? Akali would abuse that in elo hell.

FTFY

Unstoppable MonkMar 14, 20162 votes

20-8% at low hp spellvamp? Elo hell would abuse that in Akali.

Lady HammerlockMar 14, 20161 votes

when i saw this thread..what came through my head? Syndra NO Karthus FUCK NO Cassiopeia slowly dies inside Akali SHE ALREADY HAS SOME PLEASE NO Vladimir please give me aids with that cancer

morris1Mar 14, 20162 votes

Ryze jumps out the window

WadeWilson1337Mar 14, 20161 votes

AD carry Keystone options:(5) Warlord's Bloodlust Fervor of Battle Deathfire Touch ( Jhin ) Stormraider's Surge Thunderlord's Decree

AP carry Keystone options:(2.5, i geuss?) Deathfire Touch Stormraider's Surge (But lets be real, have you EVER seen an ap champion take this and do well?) Thunderlord's Decree

...Really Riot?

buckeyebob45Mar 14, 20162 votes

I've seen some Ekko do quite well with Stormraiders Surge, because it has good synergy with his passive and kit in general. However, is it the best mastery for Ekko? I don't think so, but it is viable.