Rylai is no longer built on Mordekaiser otps

KONO RUBICK DA·9/20/2017, 10:32:45 PM·86 votes·3,413 views

Mordekaiser, the most immobile champion in the game doesn't care about Slowing people and instead just go for item 3151 item 3089 item 3135 item 3041 and kill them fast

You destroyed that item so hard it doesn't bring damage anymore because the ap is garbage it doesn't bring tankiness anymore because the hp is garbage the slow is shit

you straight up nerfed ALL the things that the item brought because syndra and orianna oneshot people with it

the item was 102% cost efficient instead of removing 30 or 40 ap from it and made mages not oneshoting with an utility item, you nerfed the hp and the slow as well

god save us

98 Comments

Malicious Metal9/20/2017, 10:39:43 PM48 votes

They basically just gimped the item into a spot where it's no longer built on anyone except some fringe cases who want low budget AP.

It lost its niche as a defensive utility AP item as it's heavily outclassed by every other item. It needs some changes, yes, but simply buffing it would just put it back into being permabuilt on every meta mid laner.

It needs a windowed slow that promotes actually surviving long enough to reapply it or make it stronger. Something where every instance of magic damage adds to the last slow, building up to maybe a stun if enough ticks of magic damage's applied in say a 4 second timespan.

Salron9/20/2017, 11:13:23 PM19 votes

It really just needs to be more expensive with more stats It's such a slot inefficient item now it's disgusting

Jinzo Torrance9/21/2017, 2:19:18 AM12 votes

Meanwhile Malzahar Brand Heimerdinger Cassiopeia Azir Singed Viktor AurelionSol Karthus build it almost regularly, and any other mage can also build it if they go against a team that has some juggernauts and/or tanks to help them kite better.

Riot decided that item 3116 was the problem since it was the only AP item that wasn't gutted like the rest of the others in the MYMU, clearly the problem wasn't that every other AP item except item 3165 were garbage so mages had to rush what offered the better deal of AP+Utility and created that permaslow shit. No debating about it.

Mordepool9/20/2017, 11:28:08 PM10 votes

It was core to the point of being required. Now it's not really an option

PopcornBunni9/21/2017, 6:18:57 AM7 votes

OLD: item 3116 = item 1026 +item 1052 +item 1028 + 915g (2600g total) +300 Health +75 AP UNIQUE: Damaging spells and abilities reduce enemy Movement Speed by 20% for 1 second.

NEW: item 3116 = item 1058 + item 1011 + 550g (2800g total) +400 Health +70 AP UNIQUE: Damaging spells and abilities reduce enemy Movement Speed by 20% for 2 seconds. This time is reduced to 1 second for area of effect spells and .5 seconds for damage over time effects UNIQUE: Slows from your champion are 50% stronger. This can not increase the slow amount beyond 99%

Primaquarius9/20/2017, 10:34:14 PM5 votes

Singed

aspects19/21/2017, 9:49:35 AM2 votes

its only good on DOT users like brand/malz/rumble etc

PaffWasTaken9/21/2017, 12:20:32 PM2 votes

In my opinion, they shouldn't revert or fix this item until they fix the whole AP itemisation

jadelink9/21/2017, 12:49:14 PM2 votes

I'd actually like to see its cost reduced. This way it stays "not for burst mages", and is more attainable for supports who value the slow. Somewhat stat inefficient as a mid slot, but fine for a sup one.

bbQsauçe9/21/2017, 2:31:33 PM2 votes

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DuskDaUmbreon9/21/2017, 3:47:40 PM2 votes

The slow isn't that bad, and still perfectly valid on champions who it were meant for, like Azir, Brand, Singed, or midlane Morgana. All four still use it well.

And it's not that bad on Mordekaiser. Three OTPs still buy it, as Ryuu pointed out, below, and it lets you be relevant no matter how mobile the enemy is, by letting you drop a W on some fast ally, then having them run at mach 8 at the enemy team, damaging and slowing them before the W stops dealing damage. It also enables you to continually chain your damage...

When you can literally 1v3 the enemy team because of Rylai's, or 1v1 a full build Twitch under his own turret because it lets you keep up with him, it clearly can't be that bad on him.

Sure, the item's ass on a lot of champions right now. But it's meant to be. Burst mages were never supposed to pick it up.

SB Arneeman9/21/2017, 4:33:02 PM2 votes

They really need to look into Rylais. The new keystone rune Hextech Freezeray will give a larger slow, so building Liandrys plus taking this rune is literally superior in all areas: more dmg than dmg rune due to pen and ap, more slow, and more hp. You also get the Liandrys passive doubled for free.

SanKakU9/21/2017, 6:10:19 PM1 votes

It's great on Singed.

But for most AP champions, I pick up Frozen Mallet or IBG instead.