Can Ashes's Arrow ult freeze people like Sejuani's?

Ralanr·Jul 23, 2016·129 votes·3,287 views

I feel this would fit very well thematically.

Edit: I mean the animation. Not the AoE.

53 Comments

ApocalypsicJul 23, 201621 votes

Just the visuals, like putting a single person in a block of ice.

Like the frozen zoras in Ocarina :O

RalanrJul 23, 20161 votes

YES!

Bladerunner7777Jul 23, 20161 votes

I hated how the shortcut from Lake Hylia to the Domain was covered in ice in adult form.

Ain't nobody want to walk that far to deliver eyedrops

Epic MurphJul 23, 20161 votes

but delivering the eyedrops were so worth it for the sword

LordBahamutXVIJul 24, 20161 votes

It's only covered if you don't know how to get behind it. There are secret ways around that damn ice

I7A6X2v2Jul 23, 201613 votes

Can freeze pplz with her ult. Can freeze pplz with her ult. ??? WHY CAN'T ASHE FREEZE PPLZ WITH HER ULT? Riot?

Virgin RayJul 23, 20163 votes

What a great question to Ashe k

DankstinJul 23, 20163 votes

Okay, Sean Connery.

NightmareAmazoXJul 24, 20161 votes

hahahahahah

CerealBoxOfDoomJul 23, 20163 votes

no, because then if she's on the same team as sejuani it would be confusing as hell

KingnewgameplusJul 23, 20166 votes

I mean, would it? They're both stuns so it wouldn't matter in the long run.

Bladerunner7777Jul 23, 20163 votes

Well I mean a long range Ashe ult could potentially stun for 3 seconds meanwhile a max level Sej ult stuns for 1.75 seconds so...

CerealBoxOfDoomJul 23, 20163 votes

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I mean, would it? They're both stuns so it wouldn't matter in the long run.

seju gets the effect by touching you and it lets her know when to use E and when she has her armor.. or maybe its after she uses E

I forget but its kindof a big deal for sejuani in particular

overly similar particles on too many champs is a bad idea

Sire HippingtonJul 23, 20167 votes

this has nothing to do with sejus E, It's about the ult particles. Sejus ult is technically a stun, but frezzes the targets to a statue of ice within their current animation uppon getting hit,. Ashe's ult is currently just a normal stun, and the OP wants ashe to get the same freeze effect on her ult stun that seju has. So only a visual change for the ult stun and nothing else.

CerealBoxOfDoomJul 23, 20163 votes

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this has nothing to do with sejus E, It's about the ult particles. Sejus ult is technically a stun, but frezzes the targets to a statur of ice within their current animation uppon getting hit,. Ashe's ult is currently just a normal stun, and the OP wants ashe to get the same freeze effect on her ult stun that seju has. So only a visual change for the ult stun and nothing else.

while were at it why don't we give shyvanna's burn victims a brand effect, its just a visual change

its not just a visual change btw its making a unique particle used for an ability nonunique so as to maximize confusion, that's anti clarity and thus toxic

It is not a good idea. You can simplify it and point out what a small change it is all you like. It is not wise and goes against basic design principle

Sire HippingtonJul 23, 20164 votes

I don't see any clearity issues here. Again, this is not about makeing ashe's slow look like Sju's frost effect from E, but about makeing her ult freeze the stunned target in it's current animation and cover it in ice, similar to Lissandra's ult and Seju's ult. And it would be a fitting use of that 'unique' effect as it then would allow all 3 leaders of the freljord to freeze oponents in place with their ults.

ShadòwJul 23, 20161 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Sejuani

The Freeze animations is the Passive from Sejus E.

Funny how CerealBoxOfDoom gets downvoted even if he is right ... Sums up the Boards pretty well.

Such a change would just confuse Seju players when they play in a Team with Ashe

Sire HippingtonJul 23, 20165 votes

The effect form her E is called frost, not freeze, and even if it was named freeze, that's simply not what the OP means. He means only the **stun **of seju's ult and the **stun **of ashe's ult

nice tableJul 23, 20161 votes

people are talking about confusing the sejuani player by ashe ult having the same particles as seju ult stun cause seju can only hit people with her E that she has already hit, for example with her ult.

Sire HippingtonJul 23, 20162 votes

That seju in question should know whether she used her own ult or not, else she deserves to fail. I mean, why would a seju think she can use E on a target that was hit by an ashe arrow? She sees it is hit by ashe(hard to not notice the arrow) AND SHE FUCKING KNOWS THAT SHE DIDN'T USE HER DAMN OWN ULT FOR IT!!!

nice tableJul 23, 20161 votes

they could both ult in a team fight and the person that got hit by a ashe arrow was out of the seju ults splash range but it looks like he got hit.

Sire HippingtonJul 23, 20161 votes

For a seju to not know that the target wasn't hit by **her **ult, it would need to be on the very edge of her ult aoe, and both ults would need to impact prettymuch simultainously, which you normaly try to aoivd to, so that's a situation that appears in about 0.00000000001% of all games.

ChatillonJul 24, 20161 votes

I play sej, and I can tell the difference between ult stun and E mark. E mark is a shade of blue and white, and ult is a big block of ice around you.

I also have been thinking how ashe's ult needs more clarity, because I think it would really help, and doing something similar to sej ults animation would help.

RiverWind0407Jul 23, 20162 votes

I feel like Ashe is more of a soft snow and Sej is the harsh ice. Just what I think thematically. :)

LU Vanilla Rice Jul 24, 20162 votes

Okay, I kid you not, one of my friends bought the Sherwood Forest Ashe skin because he thought her ult would shoot a giant oak tree... lol

Handy Sandy Jul 23, 20161 votes

it does freeze people, it can go through them also and freeze enemies behind the first target

khorneyJul 23, 20161 votes

he means make the splash a bigger aoe like sej is.

RalanrJul 23, 20168 votes

Actually I mean the animation. Not the splash.

khorneyJul 23, 20161 votes

i would like that but make it A lnger cd B do less damage. becuase it woul dmake her really strong..... so with that doing what your asking would require some sort of nerf

Handy Sandy Jul 23, 20162 votes

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i would like that but make it A lnger cd B do less damage. becuase it woul dmake her really strong..... so with that doing what your asking would require some sort of nerf

Yea, the arrow can travel all across the map.

khorneyJul 23, 20161 votes

I know that......

SwiftKitten88Jul 23, 20161 votes

i agree it should have the freeze animation

but interestingly enough it DOES freeze them Anivia can actually use her "E" and get double damage

it used to also work with Ashe autos as well before her rework, now it just works with her ulti

Autrah FangJul 23, 20161 votes

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i agree it should have the freeze animation

but interestingly enough it DOES freeze them can actually use her "E" and get double damage

it used to also work with autos as well before her rework, now it just works with her ulti

well, it does still slow them, and Anivia's E gets double damage from any sort of ice slow (i think the official term for it is "chilled"? things like Ashe ult, Sej ult, item 3022 , item 3116 , etc. unless of course they changed that within the last couple years.)

it is weird though that it doesn't work with Ashe's autos as well anymore, i guess they did that for balancing purposes?

Kenioshi2 sequelJul 23, 20161 votes

A Global ult with a large aoe slow splash sounds like you want to play Gangplank ADC

RalanrJul 23, 20161 votes

Again, not the AoE like Sej. I just mean the same stun animation (I. E. Them becoming frozen).

Kenioshi2 sequelJul 23, 20161 votes

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Again, not the AoE like Sej. I just mean the same stun animation (I. E. Them becoming frozen).

oh ok, nah i think they could make a better animation for her to make it unique

RalanrJul 23, 20161 votes

Possibly. I just think it'd be cool if the stun animation was a freezing one. She's the only freljord leader without that.

Unless her not having it is also thematic. Showcasing her mercy in the war.

WolfessJul 23, 20161 votes

this would have been better off in story, art, and sound since it's just a visual and thematic suggestion/idea and doesn't really impact gameplay at all.

however, I do agree that being one of the frelljord sisters with ice theme and a stun ult that I'd think it is a good idea to add the ice/freezing visual. Mildly curious how unique it would have to look considering that for clarity purposes it should look different than all other ice-themed effects to tell what's what.

Sire HippingtonJul 23, 20161 votes

Actually, it does impact gameplay. Seju freezes people directly in their animation, preventing them from doing whatever they were doing, includeing gapcloser. A jax for example freezes mid air in his leap and doesn't move any further. A normal stun like ashe's doesn't do that, if you get hit duering an animation, you finish that animation despite beeing stunned, which fior the jax example would mean he comlete's his jump to the full range+deals damage wuth it, which both doesn't happen with the freeze.

RalanrJul 23, 20161 votes

I didn't know that actually. Hmm...now I can see some issues people may have.

Sire HippingtonJul 23, 20161 votes

As i see it, the difference isn't that impactfull, and ashe could use some nerfs anyway, so they might aswell make this change and then nerf her as she deserves(imo her ult damage would be a good start, no need for such a powerfull global cc tool to have 250-600base damage)

IcyPepperJul 23, 20161 votes

no need for such a powerfull global cc tool to have 250-600base damage

Doesn't it scale with AP though, on a champion that's not very likely to build AP?

Sire HippingtonJul 23, 20161 votes

and? Varus ult also scales of ap rather than ad and has 100-250base.

She has enough dps from Q, base stats(her as/level is pretty sick) and the low cd W. Her overall damage is quite huge for how much utillity she has, which is why she's on a 54%+ winrate for 4 patches straight now with currently 20% pickrate, she's clearly up for a nerf. And i think takeing damage off her ult to emphasis the focus on utillity rather than straight damage is a good way to nerf her. Right now her level 6 all in potential is just absurdly high for an extremely well scaleing utillity-adc, as the hugh burst ontop of the cc from her ult alows her to easily win 2vs2s bot, rather than useing the arrow for crossmap shots or setting up ganks.

Pew Pew LasersJul 23, 20161 votes

Stuns one target and slows anyone else nearby.

The reason hers doesnt freeze everyone like sej does is because Ashe's is a global ult. It would be too powerful if it stunned everyone.

EndlessSorcererJul 23, 20163 votes

They said nothing about making the stun AOE.

They were asking that the stunned target be encased in ice; they only wanted a visual change.

Pew Pew LasersJul 23, 20161 votes

Ashe's next rework in 2.5 years.

ElikainJul 23, 20161 votes

Ashe (at one point after her Marksman Update) had this effect put on her arrow and she also stopped animations but was removed from some reason. I too feel like her ECA shouldn't look like a generic stun spell but that it has its visuals improved in this way and probably again "buffed" to allow actually freezing people mid animations again.

ForeverLaxxJul 23, 20161 votes

This gets mentioned all the time. Ashe's ult used to do this, way back when the game was completely new. For some reason, they took it out and slapped on the more "standard" stun animation and it's been that way ever sense. Once Sej got Ashe's old stun animation (the block of ice), it pretty much signaled that Ashe was never getting it back.

SpôôkedJul 23, 20161 votes

They should give Veigars ult an effect like when Garen ults the villain. I mean, Veigar`s launching a giant mass of dark matter at someone. It would make more sense if it had visual effects lol

Rito StaffJul 24, 20161 votes

And if the arrow kills it makes the champion break in little polyhedrons