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@Meddler any plans for kha zix.

MunchCrunchLunch··6 votes·2,762 views

the champion is oppressive as fuck in the jungle. his Jump makes him in a really weird spot because I feel like when I catch some assassin out like rengar or noct. they can't run away that easily. and they can't escape after engaging. I mean on top of being able to escape any possible outdueling or counterjungle attempt that he has a disadvantage of. there was no reason to make his Q both deal more damage (keep the isolation) and add the cooldown refund. I mean it just blows my mind am not trying to be disrespectful here or anything but as a game designer can you tell me how in the world is kha zix healthy in league of legends as he exists because I don't see a giant icon above my head when hes stealthed in a bush or when I lose 70% of my hp to one of his spells early game. considering he can immediately disengage if things didn't go his way unlike rengar that has to stay and fight?. where is the logic in that.

he is the only ad assassin caster that has a decent winrate. let alone 52% winrate. and you're going to buff lethality. Like can I just jungle in peace. I mean I don't wanna oppressed out of the game.

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RiotMeddler6 votes

No immediate plans, we've been predicting for a couple of weeks we'd likely need to do work on him soon though. Wouldn't surprise if he was a candidate for a power reduction in 7.4 if current trends continue (for context, we've just started work on 7.3., so that mean we'd start looking at him in a couple of weeks if so).

Lethal Learning2 votes

Hey meddler If possible when you are free go check out the riven cc bug on the gameplay section that i posted. There might be information there that you have not seen yet.

Rengar Top Lane1 votes

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No immediate plans, we've been predicting for a couple of weeks we'd likely need to do work on him soon though. Wouldn't surprise if he was a candidate for a power reduction in 7.4 if current trends continue (for context, we've just started work on 7.3., so that mean we'd start looking at him in a couple of weeks if so).

Any plans for Rengar? My 15-20 sentence paragraph was deleted on your State of the Game article an hour after posting. Hmm..?

midnight oil241 votes

Nuuu don't nerf him if you nerf him i quit. [slayer-jinx-wink]

I think that he could stand to be in a slightly better place, he's a bit too powerful and even though he's one of my mains I still think he needs to be taken down a peg.

Toeffin2 votes

Hi Meddler,

I am main khazix since season 3, I would like to say the reason why does khazix feels too strong right now.

The isolation dmg is fine compare to pre-rework but the new Q evo brings 60% cooldown refunded. Which is too strong for **objs **and duels.

When someone in isolated place it does not give them room/space to act unless they burn flash, It does need tweak or to lower cooldown refund.

Possible to nerf isolation dmg instead the cooldown but it might be too harsh after all the rework changes - It won't leave anyburst as assassin and he does already have clear weakness point.

Void Valkon1 votes

Ever considered to replace the isolated Q cd refund with something else like bonus armor pen or something like that? Because as it is now, its very hard to get near other allies sometimes and squishys cant usually take more than 2-3Qs which have a second or so CD when evolved midgame.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

pre-reworked kha'zix had no counterplay when fed:)..u could just one shot people, just with q..Now, u need more than 1 q to kill an isolated target;).Even if he is fed, he needs a bit of more dmg to finish his target;)..u won't oneshot just with q;)..u need your w also, a 1 or 2 aa

RexSaur1 votes

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pre-reworked kha'zix had no counterplay when fed:)..u could just one shot people, just with q..Now, u need more than 1 q to kill an isolated target;).Even if he is fed, he needs a bit of more dmg to finish his target;)..u won't oneshot just with q;)..u need your w also, a 1 or 2 aa

Except his Q has a .6s cd now on isolated targets.

Hes pretty much dps bursting you down.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Except his Q has a .6s cd now on isolated targets.

Hes pretty much dps bursting you down.

That's kinda his niche, tbh. Although that's what most assassins do nowadays.

RexSaur3 votes

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That's kinda his niche, tbh. Although that's what most assassins do nowadays.

So his niche is being overpowered? Alright then.

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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So his niche is being overpowered? Alright then.

He's a strong 1v1 duelist. Strong 1v1 duelists always do well in soloqueue. Don't know enough about him to say if he's op or not tho.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

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He's a strong 1v1 duelist. Strong 1v1 duelists always do well in soloqueue. Don't know enough about him to say if he's op or not tho.

why the fuck do we call every broken as fuck champion a duelist nowdays? huh?. you're telling me kha zix is supposed to duel brusiers skirmishers and tanks as an assassin. gtfo please.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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why the fuck do we call every broken as fuck champion a duelist nowdays? huh?. you're telling me kha zix is supposed to duel brusiers skirmishers and tanks as an assassin. gtfo please.

Because people we think are broken can usually 1v1 anything (since they're broken) which makes them a really good duelist. It's not always what they are supposed to do or can do, though.

Kha can duel bruisers skirmishers and tanks, but he's not supposed to duel tanks or bruisers.

Hyperiön1 votes

Over Powered? Kha is no where near over powered to what he once was.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

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Except his Q has a .6s cd now on isolated targets.

Hes pretty much dps bursting you down.

that means that he has counterplay:)..you have time to react;)

PiVoRx1 votes

the problem is that hes always fed, ammount of damage hes pumping with his cdless Q is just stupid

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

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the problem is that hes always fed, ammount of damage hes pumping with his cdless Q is just stupid

hes always fed because when you have stupid bullshit early game nuking you will always get fed.

dominusx1 votes

group bam Kha'zix is trash. But the game is only splitpush relient i forgot i drop a little kappa here. Most junglers can outperform Kha easily or outscale him hard. Dont spam posts. if you wanna cry about junglers cry about Heca/Vi/Zac these are the problematic ones.

Hyperiön1 votes

Kha'zix is a 1v1 champion, or pouncing on low targets in a team fight. That is exactly what assassins were meant to do.

Throw some CC or high burst on him and he is as good as gone.

His Q burst got significantly nerfed, despite being a low cd, it does have a cast time. (Not immediate). He has counterplay which I mentioned, not to mention if he blows his hop before you use your getaway, he can't catch you, unless iso W.

Stop whining about a champion you can't play against. I only have like a 30% winrate against kat, but you don't hear me complaining about it.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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Kha'zix is a 1v1 champion, or pouncing on low targets in a team fight. That is exactly what assassins were meant to do.

Throw some CC or high burst on him and he is as good as gone.

His Q burst got significantly nerfed, despite being a low cd, it does have a cast time. (Not immediate). He has counterplay which I mentioned, not to mention if he blows his hop before you use your getaway, he can't catch you, unless iso W.

Stop whining about a champion you can't play against. I only have like a 30% winrate against kat, but you don't hear me complaining about it.

you must be the same person that creates all thse trash accounts? because the same person every day comments on all my threads. at the exact same time. get lost

Hyperiön1 votes

lul, this is the only account I have.

midnight oil241 votes

Kha'zix is, imo, the only assassin besides talon and maybe kat that fits the idea of an assassin. Kha'zix is adapting, kha'zix can jump, kha'zix can go invisible, but he's only good at solo targets. a true assassin.

Calabok1 votes

Yeeesss and also nerf Hecarim thanks

Gixia1 votes

{quoted} his Jump makes him in a really weird spot because I feel like when I catch some assassin out like rengar or noct. they can't run away that easily. and they can't escape after engaging.

Regardless of whether Kha'Zix is or is not overpowered, the fact that you're calling out his jump and ability to escape means you don't understand how assassins work. Assassins are SUPPOSED to be able to escape. They're SUPPOSED to be slippery and hard to catch. Nocturne is a diver, not an assassin. Fizz, Akali, Katarina, Talon, LeBlanc, Ekko, Zed, etc. Those are assassins, and each and every one of them can, to varying degrees, jump over walls to get in and out of fights. Hell, LB and Zed can both jump multiple times without even needing to get a kill-reset to do it. Rengar is the ONLY assassin that has a hard time getting out after he goes in, but he's probably the burstiest assassin in exchange and that's kind of his niche.

You can argue whether or not Kha does too much damage and snowballs too easily, or that he has too much duelling power (though as his isolation mechanic specifically rewards him for catching someone alone more than other assassins, I would argue good duelling potential is one of his intended strengths), but if you're honestly gonna lead with 'his jump is too good', then you should probably take the time to learn a bit more about what the hell you're talking about first.

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