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Yup, time for another thread bitching about Fiora

Unward49··2 votes·1,150 views

I have decided how I am going to deal with Fiora.

I refuse to lane against her first of all and anyone who picks her in any game I play, ANYONE on ANY side, regardless of any other consideration will automatically be reported for negative attitude. Fiora is a fucking broken mess and anyone who willfully picks her is a holocaust denier. I think that logic's pretty flawless right there and so this automatically puts me in the right.

Good.

Now then, what are the issues that need to be dealt with before I will no longer consider Fiora to be the utterly broken piece of rage inducing fucking garbage that she so clearly is.

First off. Why does her ult heal again? How is this thematically consistent with fucking ANYTHING?! How is it fun to play against? How does what huh what what the fuck fuck?! Remove the heal from her ult you fucking retards. A melee assassin has no fucking business having a massive aoe heal. Fucking why does this even need an explanation. Who's fucking idea was it to...

You know what, I think the amount of "fuckings" speak for themselves on this one. GET RID OF THE FUCKING HEAL.

Secondly, make it fucking possible to itemize against her damage. I don't care if you need to put a new tank item that reduces true damage by 50% or some bullshit if you're REALLY fucking set on keeping her % max hp true damage horse shit but I don't want to see it tuned down, I want to be able to itemize against it in a reasonable way as a tank. She's an assassin, she SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL SQUISHIES. What she should NOT be able to do is KILL TANKS EVEN EASIER! Make her damage physical or magical. This is not a hard fucking concept. Did you learn fucking nothing from Riven? Clearly you didn't. You cannot give a champion the means to become tankier by also building more fucking damage. That is what we in the business of having to fucking lane against these motherfucking broken ass champions like to call "FUCKING BULLSHIT"

Fiora scales in 4 different ways off of flat AD. She gets more damage. Her spells get more damage. Her passive gets more true damage and she heals more off of her passive. 4x multiplier on flat AD. And she forces you to build damage yourself because it is the only way to remain competative with her. No fucking point in building defenses if you're on the front line against Fiora, she'll just ult you and melt right through them like you're a level 1 Ashe.

So there we go. Remove her ultimate heal completely and make her passive true damage into something tanks can reasonably itemize against. Until this happens, expect angry threads on a nearly daily basis and the % of reports received by Fioras to sky rocket.

18 Comments

CreationFlaw4 votes

Or you could, y'know.

Caytheles1 votes

i support you in anyway, Also Anyone who picks the new darius i assume they suck at the game and want to feel like they are good by picking the latest overpowered champ.

Those people who say "just do this and you can bea.." nananananana stfu... they are broken and both Darius and Fiora need hard ass nerfs. this game isnt fun when you have 20 top laners but only 2 are picked every game.

N0rth Wind2 votes

"But you could just play around the mechanics instead of ignoring them and hoping for the best?"

"nanananananananana stfu I'm not bad, they're broken. No improvement whatsoever is required on my part. I will let Darius get 5 stacks and oneshot me, I will not defend my Vitals against Fiora, then cry OP."

I assume you stand on Ekko's hologram then bitch at the damage he does, or stand in Nunu's ult but QQ about getting oneshot, or let Katarina pull a full R on you then cry in the forums about how her damage has no counterplay?

I'm very sorry but, SIlver and all, I have to tell you to get better. The whole game will not get dumbed down to your "buy armor to win lane" standards. Many of us like playing around our and the enemy champion's mechanics.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

You know you can use item 3140 on her ultimate right?

Unward491 votes

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You know you can use item 3140 on her ultimate right?

You do know that item 3140 is not a reasonable item for a tank to buy right?

Baby Ghoul1 votes

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You do know that item 3140 is not a reasonable item for a tank to buy right?

Well I guess the only solution is to not buy the item that helps with the one thing you're complaining about the most.

Staying sour and sassy is the only answer apparently.

Caytheles1 votes

Riot makes all these mechanics that dont need to be put in the game, and yet dont make that item Viable for Tanks and mages. it only builds into one fucking thing.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

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Riot makes all these mechanics that dont need to be put in the game, and yet dont make that item Viable for Tanks and mages. it only builds into one fucking thing.

Oh mages now? item 3157

There ya go sis. Anything else?

Caytheles1 votes

k... so you use zonyas and wait for her cooldowns to go back up so she can fuck you more? You are really smart man!!!

Thefuck out of here. I play fiora when i feel like being cheap after losing to Fioras so much. and i Beat other fioras silly, Wanna know why? because i know she is bullshit and with my hands she becomes more bullshit. Learn your place.

OH you are a Fiora main.... i can see why you Defend her so much XD. wich makes your Zhonya post evens stupider XD

Baby Ghoul1 votes

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k... so you use zonyas and wait for her cooldowns to go back up so she can fuck you more? You are really smart man!!!

Thefuck out of here. I play fiora when i feel like being cheap after losing to Fioras so much. and i Beat other fioras silly, Wanna know why? because i know she is bullshit and with my hands she becomes more bullshit. Learn your place.

OH you are a Fiora main.... i can see why you Defend her so much XD. wich makes your Zhonya post evens stupider XD

Oh wow. My bad. You want to be able to stop her ult 100 percent of the time. Okay, yeah that's BS.

Stupider isn't a word smart one. Hate to break it to you again, but gold isn't considered high ELO. The only real difference between silver and gold is a victorious skin.

The only one who needs to learn their place here is you.

Unward491 votes

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Well I guess the only solution is to not buy the item that helps with the one thing you're complaining about the most.

Staying sour and sassy is the only answer apparently.

If you're a tank and you have to devote however the fuck much gold for a qss just to stop yourself getting killed by a champion that does NO magical damage then your game is already over. You will already have no effect on the game. And let me tell you, anyone who can reasonably farm a qss by level 6 should get on a pro team asap.

qss is not a solution to the bullshit that is Fiora. Qss is an ADC item for already mobile ADCs who are already very good at dodging skillshots and stuns and spells, so that when they get locked down by a point at click spell or a high damage Zed ult, they can get out of it and continue to kite while their team continues to peel for them. It is NOT a good defensive item for a team fighting tank. It is a waste of fucking money. The whole point of a tank is someone to stand infront and eat the damage. You won't eat anything from Fiora if you have a Qss, she will just ignore you. She will hit your vital for the speed boost and dash right on past you without a second thought if she's any good at all.

Because yes, I can easily beat the shitty Fioras I run into. But I can't build entirely to beat her and still be effective in a team fight because hey, MOST champions aren't fucking bullshit and if you build them full damage they can't survive in a team fight cause they don't have fucking Heals and True damage out the shitter. She gets more AD than anyone and has fucking true damage on top of all of that.

Purest fucking bullshit.

But that's fine, as long as Riot wants to leave her in this broken ass state, I'll happy make pointless thread after pointless thread.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

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If you're a tank and you have to devote however the fuck much gold for a qss just to stop yourself getting killed by a champion that does NO magical damage then your game is already over. You will already have no effect on the game. And let me tell you, anyone who can reasonably farm a qss by level 6 should get on a pro team asap.

qss is not a solution to the bullshit that is Fiora. Qss is an ADC item for already mobile ADCs who are already very good at dodging skillshots and stuns and spells, so that when they get locked down by a point at click spell or a high damage Zed ult, they can get out of it and continue to kite while their team continues to peel for them. It is NOT a good defensive item for a team fighting tank. It is a waste of fucking money. The whole point of a tank is someone to stand infront and eat the damage. You won't eat anything from Fiora if you have a Qss, she will just ignore you. She will hit your vital for the speed boost and dash right on past you without a second thought if she's any good at all.

Because yes, I can easily beat the shitty Fioras I run into. But I can't build entirely to beat her and still be effective in a team fight because hey, MOST champions aren't fucking bullshit and if you build them full damage they can't survive in a team fight cause they don't have fucking Heals and True damage out the shitter. She gets more AD than anyone and has fucking true damage on top of all of that.

Purest fucking bullshit.

But that's fine, as long as Riot wants to leave her in this broken ass state, I'll happy make pointless thread after pointless thread.

I disagree. If you're having so much trouble with her ult, then QSS is a nice solution to that, and isn't only useful for just that. If it's going to deter her from ulting people who have that, then that's a good thing. You should be preparing for that with lock down. It's not the most ideal items for a tank to get, but all builds vary depending on your matchup. If you really believe that it's not worth it, then don't get it. It's there though. It's not the most expensive thing to buy for a champion that is carrying the game.

She needs to proc all 4 vitals for the heal to activate, and I didn't watch any of your matches, but she shouldn't be able to do that with ease. It's much easier ulting a squishy to activate the ult by causing their death during a team fight, and that's why they generally should invest in something for her ult. Tanks have very effective lock down, or at least someone on the team should, and that's still something Fiora struggles with.

Could you give us details on what you see Fioras build in your matches? I tried to look out of curiosity, and I didn't see any. Most Fioras do not build like glass cannons because it's not as effective anymore unless you're some how ahead.

As for true damage, yeah it is hard to build for that effectively, especially against someone like Fiora, and I don't think it's the healthiest thing in the game. However I still don't think she's nearly as broken as you're making her out to be, and I don't think that warrants you reporting people for playing her. I was a Fiora main for years, mostly on my previous accounts, and this rework I think was a success, and I'm happy she's receiving nerfs this patch too. I haven't been playing her much lately, but I have been playing against her, and I think that's she's powerful, but I'm not convinced that she's broken.

After she begins to start losing close duels again, I'm going to feel less convinced.

Unward491 votes

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I disagree. If you're having so much trouble with her ult, then QSS is a nice solution to that, and isn't only useful for just that. If it's going to deter her from ulting people who have that, then that's a good thing. You should be preparing for that with lock down. It's not the most ideal items for a tank to get, but all builds vary depending on your matchup. If you really believe that it's not worth it, then don't get it. It's there though. It's not the most expensive thing to buy for a champion that is carrying the game.

She needs to proc all 4 vitals for the heal to activate, and I didn't watch any of your matches, but she shouldn't be able to do that with ease. It's much easier ulting a squishy to activate the ult by causing their death during a team fight, and that's why they generally should invest in something for her ult. Tanks have very effective lock down, or at least someone on the team should, and that's still something Fiora struggles with.

Could you give us details on what you see Fioras build in your matches? I tried to look out of curiosity, and I didn't see any. Most Fioras do not build like glass cannons because it's not as effective anymore unless you're some how ahead.

As for true damage, yeah it is hard to build for that effectively, especially against someone like Fiora, and I don't think it's the healthiest thing in the game. However I still don't think she's nearly as broken as you're making her out to be, and I don't think that warrants you reporting people for playing her. I was a Fiora main for years, mostly on my previous accounts, and this rework I think was a success, and I'm happy she's receiving nerfs this patch. I haven't been playing her much lately, but I have been playing against her, and I think that's she's powerful, but I'm not convinced that she's broken.

After she begins to start losing close duels again, I'm going to feel less convinced.

See here's the thing, I'm NOT having a ton of trouble with her. My Jungler is, or my Leona support is and this isn't like a LB running around deleting squishies off the map, this is a Leona with her shield up who eats a morgana binding and is dead from Fiora's ult before she has a chance to reply WITH ANYTHING, meanwhile the aoe heal has proc'd and so all the damage my team has managed to do back to the enemy is completely negated.

Are you going to tell me that's fair? Are you going to tell me Leona just has to build a qss to negate the Fiora ult?

And you're wrong about the heal anyway. Usually Fioras wont initate with it, they will use it just as an execute to proc the heal. They will throw it down on the lowest thing because they know they can execute anything bellow half HP by only hitting 2 vitals which is the easiest fucking thing in the world.

Are you going to tell me that my Nunu jungle should build a qss for Fiora? Nunu is lucky if he gets a cinderhulk sightstone and boots on his income.

And the thing is, this isn't a dominating 10-0 Fiora running around killing everything, this is a Fiora that I have pounded into the fucking dirt for the entire game by running full AD Jarvan against her. I have been DESTROYING her, but it doesn't fucking matter, because I need to spend 300 gold on AD to get the value she gets out of 100 gold worth of AD. Then she shows up in a team fight, throws down her ult on a thing that is already going to die and wins her team the game.

No other champion, not even fucking Gankplank can get the shit kicked out of them as hard as Fiora can and still come back to be not only relevant but the biggest threat on the enemy team. And don't get me started on fucking gankplank, Fiora is public enemy number 1, but that shitlord can wax philosophical about the aroma of her fucking flatulence if you get my meaning.

Lauchmelder1 votes

She IS broken. But reporting anyone that plays her and calling them a holocaust denier is stupid.

My idea for a Fiora fix: Change her ults heal from 400/550/700+300%AD into (400/550/700+300%AD)x HP of target at the beginning of the Ult. This means you eliminate the power of her heal when she ults a target that is already dead (just needs 1-2 more hits) but remains as powerful when she can burst down a squishy she ulted on 100% HP.

Example: Fiora ults Garen, who is at 12% of his max HP, to get a fast heal for the skirmish. She kills him, but instead of receiving the (for that example) full overpowered Heal she receives the following heal:

(400/450/700+300% Bonus AD) x 0.12

Now why should Riot change it? Fiora in her current state is fine (more or less). It's her ultimate heal that makes her broken, as the enemy team has to effectively fight a 5v10 teamfight. Personally I would say that she doesn't even need the heal for the damage she puts out, on the other hand I don't want to say Riots decision on giving her a heal in the first place was a bad idea. It needs some fine tuning, and this might be the solution.

TL.DR: Fiora should not be allowed to receive the full heal when ulting a low live, soon to die, target. Instead of giving her heal the power of

400/550/700+300% Bonus AD

the healing power should be multiplied with the targets current %HP, making it a power of

(400/550/700+300% Bonus AD) x targets %HP

%HP amounts to 1.00 for 100%, 0.9 for 90% etc.

Unward491 votes

[{quoted}](name=MadKnife IV,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=P2KryKrO,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-09-16T09:14:18.888+0000)

She IS broken. But reporting anyone that plays her and calling them a holocaust denier is stupid.

My idea for a Fiora fix: Change her ults heal from 400/550/700+300%AD into (400/550/700+300%AD)x HP of target at the beginning of the Ult. This means you eliminate the power of her heal when she ults a target that is already dead (just needs 1-2 more hits) but remains as powerful when she can burst down a squishy she ulted on 100% HP.

Example: Fiora ults Garen, who is at 12% of his max HP, to get a fast heal for the skirmish. She kills him, but instead of receiving the (for that example) full overpowered Heal she receives the following heal:

(400/450/700+300% Bonus AD) x 0.12

Now why should Riot change it? Fiora in her current state is fine (more or less). It's her ultimate heal that makes her broken, as the enemy team has to effectively fight a 5v10 teamfight. Personally I would say that she doesn't even need the heal for the damage she puts out, on the other hand I don't want to say Riots decision on giving her a heal in the first place was a bad idea. It needs some fine tuning, and this might be the solution.

TL.DR: Fiora should not be allowed to receive the full heal when ulting a low live, soon to die, target. Instead of giving her heal the power of

400/550/700+300% Bonus AD

the healing power should be multiplied with the targets current %HP, making it a power of

(400/550/700+300% Bonus AD) x targets %HP

%HP amounts to 1.00 for 100%, 0.9 for 90% etc.

Nope. Heal removed, completely. It has no fucking place in the game. It doesn't make thematic sense, it doesn't make mechanical sense, it's fucking horse shit and everyone knows it. Fucking Soraka can't heal as fast as the Fiora ult and healing is the only thing Soraka does. You don't give fucking assassins fucking aoe heals. You give them vamp of some kind, that's fine, but guess what, Fiora already has that too.

Get rid of the fucking heal. No compromises. Gone, Done, Finito, Fuck Off, Vanished, Expelled. No Fucking Heal On Ult.

Hell, give her a shield when she gets all your vitals. I don't care if Fiora is SELFISH. We can deal with fucking SELFISH assassins. What we can't deal with is a fucking toplane bully assassin who builds full AD yet has more team fight utility than the fucking support. THAT IS WHAT I REFUSE TO DEAL WITH.

And of course it's stupid to report Fiora players. That's the whole point. Everything about this champion is fucking stupid, so I will respond in kind. I can appreciate that kind of irony might be somewhat obtuse over the internet however.

Håppy1 votes

Fiora is garbage for the reason that Riot's explanation on her %HP True Damage was "She's going to deal the same damage to everybody."

No. Wrong. You gave her %HP true damage that scales off her AD. That means that she's going to do more damage to squishies than tanks, since she's going to stack AD, and because she's stacking AD, she's going to deal stupid damage to tanks anyways. and you can forget running away from her thanks to that movement speed. She's an anti-carry hypercarry, just like Vayne, only more toxic because she has a massive heal.

I love that they wanted to update Fiora, but I actually found her old skillset less toxic. At the very least, armor helped against her, and you had to deny her resets on her E instead of denying yourself the game the second your vital appears anywhere near her. "Just don't let her get at your vitals" Okay so let me run up against a wall any time a vital happens to appear there.. Oh, wait, the vitals are on diagonals, meaning there's always a way to get at them. Fiora used to be my favorite champion, I carried 2v5s (legit, 3 dc 2v5s) with her mid lane, she was in a much healthier spot than she's in now. I own the Headmistress skin, and it's now a total waste because I don't want to play a toxic champion like that. Similarly I don't play Vayne, Ekko, etcetera. And I also hate playing against her, to the point of dodging if I see her in pick.

Unward491 votes

Don't dodge. Do what I do. Report the player.

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