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Kurt Hyzan··1 votes·793 views

Do you believe "counterpick" should be a thing ? Ok I won't take "meta things" but let's say

Seeing Malzahar first pick and picking Gangplank to completely nullify the purpose of this champion Seeing Yasuo first pick and picking Kayle to just stomp him with no effort (if you haven't tried yet, just go for it) Seeing MasterYi being first pick and going for some kind of cc to take him down easily Malzahar Lulu

Same goes for "items countering counters", while I agree they should exist, don't you believe some of them are a bit overtunned ? Let's take item 3139 on a MasterYi his counter being "cc'd" and only requires one button to be pressed, can legitimally be overcame by buying this item. On the other hand, the SAME item exists for supports item 3222 and requires a quick reaction time to be used. The first one, in my opinion, is not ok, and the second one is. Because let's say I'm picking Malzahar to counter MasterYi, MasterYi shouldn't be able to "counter my counter" by buying an item.

Another example. As an avid ARAM player, there's one item that I find completely unfair. item 2047. For those who don't know how it works, it basically costs 300 golds and reveals anything invisible in an area around you for 5 minutes. While stealth is broken on some champions (Shaco Teemo), do you believe that "taking away a mechanic from a champion for 300 golds" should be a thing ? Especially when this champion works around this mechanic ?

https://youtu.be/-zjo7hazREw?t=48 here is the answer by Riot, which I believe is completely hmm... screwed up ? "I think aside of Shaco and Teemo it shouldn't affect that many champions". Basically fuck these 2 champions if they become useless and turn the game into a 4v5 for your team ? Well that was my "angery" part.

OK so my question is once again :

Do you believe "counterpick" should be a thing ? And do you believe "countering some champions through items" should be a thing too ? And not simply "countering" like let's say Zed and item 3157 (which I didn't mention on purpose), but talking about "hard counters" which even having the sight of this enemy / champion will scare you shitless to fight it, just "because".

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Black Jesus1 votes

There is no "true counters" in league, you can beat Kayle with Yasuo, malz will beat gp in lane with constant pushing and choose to ulti someone else later into the game.

All champions has strengths and weaknesses, some champions are better at exploiting other champions weaknesses, but there's never situation where you cannot win based on champion choices alone.

HKT Saber1 votes

There is Quinn Yi Taric Vladamir Zillean Against Soraka Kha'zix Nunu Graves Urgot

(Excluding results from below Bronze IV)

Black Jesus1 votes

what?

HKT Saber1 votes

Malzahar can win lane against GP. He (?) can also choose to not ult GP and ult their yasuo instead. Kayle does not stomp on a yasuo who knows what he is doing. The thing you call 'Yi Counter's are mechanics of the game that fundamentally cannot be removed, and if removed would cause no counterplay to Yi. That is why the Yi Taric Duo strategy is so efficient at making Master Yi 1v5, because he goes invincible for 5 seconds, as well as have a stun, shield and heal. The qss mechanic is to prevent CC from being too oppressive and shut down carries completely. The malzahar VS qss means that he wasted 1300 gold to deal with your ult, effectively reducing his item completion times to the extent where you could just farm up to beat him in a 1v1 without ult. Invis teemo and shaco can still go ap (or marksmen for teemo)

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