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Do something about the 0 counter play Darius flash e

Summoner SpeII··1 votes·1,600 views

Darius is a perfectly balanced champion in high elo, but playing against him on 60 ping is beyond frustrating. I beat him in lane with my skillfull mechanics, and it doesn't matter at all, because he will just build tank items and flash e me when his teammates come, AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO REACT TO HIS FLASH E ON 60 PING, I wish riot added some sort of counterplay for darius flash e when you are playing on above 20 ping, because it seems absolutely ridiculous that darius can just intentionally feed laning phase and be granted a free win when he can flash E me and his jungler will come for a free kill, and in teamfights he can abuse aftershock and flash e on any squishy champion who cannot react at all because they have similar ping to me as well. I would not mind the match up and call darius a bad champion if i played against him with sub 20 ping, but over 20 ping and his flash e having 0 counterplay make darius a disgusting freelo champion to abuse, IDK how to address this issue because you balance your games for pro lcs games that have 0 latency, but darius flash e has absolutely no counter play with over 20 ping, and im losing my mind because there is no counterplay, nothing i can do as a gp player to win the match up after he flash e's me after building tank items after intentionally feeding me in lane because i cannot react to his flash e because i have 60 ping and my jungler is always worse if i dont win coinflip, and losing all my games that have gone the wrong side of coinflip is tilting and depressing. I know riot won't do anything about this because they balance their games around pro scene, but I guess i should consider moving in a few years after i get my college degree so i can counter play darius flash e with lower ping as a gp main :"(. I would honestly prefer darius to have higher base stats and harder to kill in lane than having him have a flash e that has no counterplay at all and rewards unskilled play (simliar to how broken aatrox is atm with his insanely high base dmg on his abilties healing and autos, but ALL HIS ABILTIES HAVE COUNTERPLAY and I feel like I can control the match up, and that would be a better path for darius to take). I'm d1 top laner sad of losing coinflips because of theese unfair tank flash e abusing darius players and me being unable to flash his flash e and dying to his jungler because even with my god tier reaction speeds i literally can't react to darius flash e on 60 ping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4McecsrNRY&feature=youtu.be

This is how i feel about unskilled darius players getting rewarded by a completely broken mechanic after i solo kill them twice in lane and then using ghost, tabis and raptors cloak to slap me to death afterwards because they got better jungler and can flash e.

41 Comments

Jamaree2 votes

So you are telling me that a full tank Darius, that you beat in lane, is somehow beating you?

Divin1ty1 votes

GP can't really beat Darius, but can very easily avoid him when he has no Ghost. It's like a more heaving hitting Garen, you can slow him and outrange him.

Jamaree1 votes

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GP can't really beat Darius, but can very easily avoid him when he has no Ghost. It's like a more heaving hitting Garen, you can slow him and outrange him.

Indeed, but if you are beating him in lane and he is building full tank while you are apparently beating him, he isn’t gonna kill you because of one flash e

Divin1ty1 votes

Well he is. You see, Darius just needs his Base DMG and passive to kill GP, he can't really run from him once he catches up. But the GP has to be pretty shit to get catched by a behind Darius.

Jamaree1 votes

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Well he is. You see, Darius just needs his Base DMG and passive to kill GP, he can't really run from him once he catches up. But the GP has to be pretty shit to get catched by a behind Darius.

Exactly, if you are actually ahead you are gonna be ahead and not let him engage on you, if he flashes then you are able to flash and that is why is confusing me about his statements.

Divin1ty1 votes

He just wants to be assured that it isn't his fault he fails to flash everytime.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

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So you are telling me that a full tank Darius, that you beat in lane, is somehow beating you?

he doesnt beat me, he calls his jungler in for a gank after i kill him several times in lane and flash e's me and i garunteed die because i have no counterplay, then he just abuses ghost and slaps me to death because he can call his jungler

Divin1ty2 votes

You shouldn't be at his tower/nowhere near out of your tower. GP, especially in Toplane, will get ganked and has almost no way of escaping. A good GP knows that, uses Vision well and plays safe. Bad GPs get farmed.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

my rank is masters and recently demote to diamond 1 i am near the top percentage of GP players, i can assure you darius flash e has no counterplay at all

Divin1ty1 votes

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Summoner SpeII1 votes

i put hundreds of days into playing league and you are just insulting me when i have to play and lose more than i gain.

Divin1ty1 votes

I don't insult you, I just tell you to get real that your rank doesn't matter this season. It takes quite some time to climb from Plat-Diamond into Master in just one Season. Without LP gain being so broken, I doubt you would have gotten out of D4-D2.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

i did not abuse lp gains, look at tier graph, i climbed recently when lp gains were fixed, i did not ever spike to grandmasters playing during the broken 5 positional rankings or the start of season, i did not climb in previous seasons because i had no time to play league because of life problems, and in masters i did play well but i threw maybe 1 game and i had many inters grief me in coinflip.

Divin1ty1 votes

You have almost the same ammount of games in Seasons 7-9. Lmao.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

Gunna stop replying to this comment but ok you are entitled to believe i am a hardstuck abusing lp gains nothing i type will change your opinion

Divin1ty1 votes

Yes, nothing will. If you have problems flashing a fucking Darius flash E combo, your just bad. :)

Jamaree2 votes

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he doesnt beat me, he calls his jungler in for a gank after i kill him several times in lane and flash e's me and i garunteed die because i have no counterplay, then he just abuses ghost and slaps me to death because he can call his jungler

So you got ganked, what did you say here that can’t be said about any champion with a hard cc, some of which is point and click?

Summoner SpeII1 votes

all cc has counterplay, and if it doesnt it can be dodged or cleansed by my orange, and if it doesnt it means the champion is bad, like camille ult where camille does nothing in laning phase or maokai cc, which doesnt pull u back and slow u and his w has a cast time, or poppy, where the stun is if u are beside a wall, or keenen, who has to aa u several times to stun u or his ult stun is not instant, or gragas, who has to e before he can flash on u, or naut, who has to flash then u see his q skill shot, and the list goes on and on, and champions similar to darius flash e are terrible champions like volibear, who cannot ever be played in challenger games because he is a garbage champion.

Jamaree2 votes

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all cc has counterplay, and if it doesnt it can be dodged or cleansed by my orange, and if it doesnt it means the champion is bad, like camille ult where camille does nothing in laning phase or maokai cc, which doesnt pull u back and slow u and his w has a cast time, or poppy, where the stun is if u are beside a wall, or keenen, who has to aa u several times to stun u or his ult stun is not instant, or gragas, who has to e before he can flash on u, or naut, who has to flash then u see his q skill shot, and the list goes on and on, and champions similar to darius flash e are terrible champions like volibear, who cannot ever be played in challenger games because he is a garbage champion.

And the counterplay to Darius is to outrange and kite him and doesn’t Darius see even less play then the champions you just mentioned at Challenger?

Edit: just checked, they all see lower play, but higher win rates, except Volibear according to u.gg

Summoner SpeII1 votes

thats the point im trying to make, i want darius numbers buffed so he can be played in challenger games but i dont want his flash e mechanic to have no counter play at all and feel like it rewards bad darius players who do nothing but abuse flash e and slap me to death with the lead that their jungler gave them when i lose coinflip.

Jamaree2 votes

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thats the point im trying to make, i want darius numbers buffed so he can be played in challenger games but i dont want his flash e mechanic to have no counter play at all and feel like it rewards bad darius players who do nothing but abuse flash e and slap me to death with the lead that their jungler gave them when i lose coinflip.

Just because you don’t like it though, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have counterplay, that is fine wanting his power shifted is fine but you can’t just make a blanket statement of saying it doesn’t have counterplay.

Again, saying the jungler ganked me is mute because what you described can happen with literally other champion who flashes and uses their hard cc.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

if a champion can set up ganks for their jungler and be very sucessful at it, they should be like camille, who gank ult you with no counterplay and then cant do anything in lane because the champion is bad, and darius is the opposite because once he sets up a gank for his jungler he will run you down with ghost and no conuterplay with the lead his jungler has got him, and some darius abuse aftershock too, and he is never truly outscaled, because he can flash e squishies and just instantly come back, a mechanic that bad darius players will use to win games

Jamaree1 votes

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if a champion can set up ganks for their jungler and be very sucessful at it, they should be like camille, who gank ult you with no counterplay and then cant do anything in lane because the champion is bad, and darius is the opposite because once he sets up a gank for his jungler he will run you down with ghost and no conuterplay with the lead his jungler has got him, and some darius abuse aftershock too, and he is never truly outscaled, because he can flash e squishies and just instantly come back, a mechanic that bad darius players will use to win games

What is stopping you from using your own summoners then? If you know you are playing against Darius and know he is likely to take ghost, what is stopping you from doing the same?

And yeah, Darius pops squishes, that is indeed how his kit works.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

so hes just allowed to intentionally feed lane after i run ignite and kill him several times, and when his jungler arrives 10 minutes later and he has 5 deaths he gets to flash e me and i cant flash from his flash e because i have 60 ping and i just die, then afterwards i cant kill him because he has aftershock and he uses ghost to slap me to death and he gets rewarded for his bad gameplay.

Meep Man2 votes

60 ping isn't bad.

And if he has to Flash every time to kill you, then he can only kill once every 5 minutes, and without guarantee.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

its not that whenever he has flash he can kill me, its when he loses lane and then uses his flash button to flash e me and i can't flash out and his jungler comes to help that i lose the lane afterwards because he can just ghost+ raptor clock and slap me to death

Divin1ty1 votes

You can flash his E pretty easily. Also learn spacing in Texts, this looks like shit.

Also, as a 910k GP Main, Darius will always beat you. Pray he doesn't pick Phase Rush and Ghost.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Can't really flash it if he flashes as well...

Divin1ty1 votes

Yes you can, I play this Matchup a lot. Play Darius and you see that his E takes a bit long till it pulls. You can Flash it.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

i never said u couldnt flash his e, i always play so im not in e range unless i can kill him, i said I CANT FLASH HIS E after he flashes and casts it right after

Divin1ty1 votes

That's your bad then. I can flash it just fine and I play on 50-60 Ping with 60 FPS.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4McecsrNRY&feature=youtu.be this video of me playing against darius flash e is at 1/4 actual speed btw i solo killed darius 2 times in a row before he built his tank items and i played every solo kill perfectly then he gets 1 gank from his jg then with his tabis and raptor cloak and ghost he just slaps me to death with no counterplay. EDIT: I am completely fine with losing to darius in lane if he is actually good, but if this complete garbage Darius gets to intentionally feed me and lose lane and then beat me afterwards because of 1 gank that has no counterplay at all.

Divin1ty1 votes

You are a moron if you pick Ignite as GP vs Darius, especially Top. Sure you get cheese kills early with passive, but as you can see, once he has items you die.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

And what's your ping? Because that's going to play a big factor in whether or not you can actually flash it.

Divin1ty1 votes

50-60, sometimes lag spikes.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

I wish his E was slightly more telegraphed so that it could actually be dodged if you're in range.

Like, sure, you can do it at ~30 ping, but most of the playerbase doesn't have that. Make it more telegraphed but with better range/width so that it's possible to dodge in lane for most of us, without nerfing him too much. Ideally that'd also make him better in later-game, and even if it doesn't there's now room for you to buff him out of lane since he doesn't automatically get to fuck you up in lane.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

his e is perfectly balanced, its the cast of it right after his flash that has no coutnerplay at all, in lane you can play around knowing the range but u can't play around him being able to flash e

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

You can play around its range, but the problem is that range and speed doesn't leave much room for counterplay. You can play around its range but that doesn't change the fact that you can't kill casters under your own turret from melee range.

Metal Janna1 votes

Literally all CC is zero counterplay with summoner 4 and a few MS of ping. The problem isn't the abilities, it's the ability to instantly cast it from somewhere you just weren't. The problem is summoner 4.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

as a gp main i can cleanse most cc's, but darius is made so his hook makes you go back for a sec then slows u, and if i cleanse that slow with my orange he will then use his w to slow me again, but in that time frame that i am in his hook animation i will die to his jungler, and that cc cannot be removed by my orange, and once i die to his jungler i lose the lane because he will ghost run me down every time afterwards

Summoner SpeII1 votes

just think about an adc late game playing agianst a comp. You can qss most forms of flash cc, and u can build ga for champions like zed. There are some unavoidable ccs, like malphite ult, but you have sufficient reaction time to flash malphite ult if you are good. But late game, as an adc can you flash darius flash hook? or qss it? no, if he gets a flash hook off late game you WILL DIE, and you will feel like there is little you could have done because u have higher ping than 20

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