Ryze's R channel is now canceled when you use stasis effect

Hochelaga·Jan 26, 2018·37 votes·2,582 views

Even though he has a pretty low win rate, i'm pretty happy about this nerf ;)

38 Comments

NorthernRedStarJan 26, 201814 votes

His win rate doesn't reflect how broken he is, both in competitive and soloq.

JamesBlancheJan 27, 20183 votes

Well that makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

Why wouldn't a champion's winrate reflect how broken they are?

VerarticusJan 27, 20181 votes

Because winrate is tied to how easy it is to success with a champion at any skill level, not how powerful the champion is.

HaIlMonitorJan 27, 20181 votes

He has a low win rate overall, but mains in Diamond+ are sitting at 60% winrate and higher. That was Riots reason at least.

Teridax68Jan 27, 20181 votes

Ryze is a champion who is exceptionally difficult to pick up and learn, therefore players with fewer than 50 games with him under their belt, let alone those trying him out for the first time, tend to have really low win rates. However, because he has a lot of abuse potential at higher levels of mastery (his ult + Stopwatch/Zhonya's combo is only the tip of the iceberg), he tends to seriously distort play when in the hands of a master. He is not the only one with this issue, and champions like Azir, Kalista, and Jayce have all had the same issue in the past (Jayce still does now).

SaltLord451Jan 26, 201814 votes

B E T T E R R E W O R K R Y Z E

JustMonika13Jan 26, 201810 votes

Weak as he may be, that change is music to my ears

BlåbæretJan 27, 20184 votes

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Weak as he may be, that change is music to my ears

He isn't weak though. He's beyond broken in the right hands which is why you see him getting nerfed constantly.

JamesBlancheJan 27, 20186 votes

He isn't beyond broken. Let's be real now.

JustMonika13Jan 27, 20183 votes

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He isn't weak though. He's beyond broken in the right hands which is why you see him getting nerfed constantly.

Trust me, I’m not a fan of Ryze, but statistically he’s shit.

Maybe in top tier play and pro play, but I’m a pleb. His stats are shit.

BlåbæretJan 27, 20181 votes

If you have good ping he's broken. End of story.

Stats don't mean jack without context. Just because Ornn was below 50% doesn't mean he wasn't OP, he was and got nerfed accordingly. That's exactly what's happening here as well. You nerf champs based on their maximum potential. Not Riot's fault that a bunch of garbage players don't know how to play a champ.

SpiritOfOdysseusJan 27, 20181 votes

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If you have good ping he's broken. End of story.

Stats don't mean jack without context. Just because Ornn was below 50% doesn't mean he wasn't OP, he was and got nerfed accordingly. That's exactly what's happening here as well. You nerf champs based on their maximum potential. Not Riot's fault that a bunch of garbage players don't know how to play a champ.

Youre being pretty toxic calling someone garbage for disagreeing with you. Ryze is outclassed by many midlaners for most ranks. Meanwhile Malzahar can have a free kill every minute and a half. Annie can run around safe all game long. Malphite can deal insane damage with a point and click game changer. Maokai can ruin an entire lane for the entirety of league. Zoe can spam nukes all game long. Zilean can ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ while having no risk to ganks. Vladimir can be vlad. Lulu can completely invalidate melee champions. Ezreal can abuse klepto. but hey lets nerf a high skillcap champ who had a special interaction with one item that needs a coordinated team to play well.

Rip Ryze, again

aqours fanboyJan 27, 20182 votes

All you had to do was use ult and then Zhonya's to ensure you escape for free.

stop whining it's a welcomed change by many, cheese on another champ

HaIlMonitorJan 27, 20183 votes

He didnt call that guy garbage, he was saying they are nerfing it based on the highest teir of players, and not of of the garbage % of the player base. Similar to whenever Nid, Lee, Rengar, Reksai, and many other junglers are nerfed because they will be at a 60% winrate in high elo, not because of the 49% in bronze...

XxXJoshXxXApr 13, 20181 votes

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He isn't weak though. He's beyond broken in the right hands which is why you see him getting nerfed constantly.

I'd say proplay is the right hands, and what we see from pro play, he has a VERY low winrate.

Colgate GatorJan 26, 20188 votes

Good, that was a very silly interaction.

vgamedudeJan 27, 20181 votes

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Good, that was a very silly interaction.

How the hell is it silly?

Of course the boards applaud nerfs to a champ with a garbage winrate.

Jerry SeinfeIdJan 27, 20183 votes

for the same reason TF can't zhonyas and gate or Eggnivia can't TP.

ChaddyFantomeJan 27, 20182 votes

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How the hell is it silly?

Of course the boards applaud nerfs to a champ with a garbage winrate.

Stasis prevents your from Moving, Roots yourself to the ground. You shouldn't be able to TP while You are rooted to the ground. it was a stupid inconsistent reaction.

vgamedudeJan 27, 20181 votes

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Stasis prevents your from Moving, Roots yourself to the ground. You shouldn't be able to TP while You are rooted to the ground. it was a stupid inconsistent reaction.

you start the tp BEFORE you stasis, why would the tp magically end if its already activated just b ecause you stasis?

ChaddyFantomeJan 27, 20182 votes

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you start the tp BEFORE you stasis, why would the tp magically end if its already activated just b ecause you stasis?

Doesn't matter. If you snare or Stun him (i.e, disable his movement, he can't warp. If he Zhonya's he is doing that to himself. it shouldn't be exempt just because of that.

Friendly RamJan 27, 20187 votes

Yay no more golden cockblock.

abca98Jan 26, 20185 votes

About time.

Chembaron YamadaJan 26, 201829 votes

Nah, I think that nerf had the perfect timing.

Velzard of KozJan 26, 20185 votes

At first I didn't get it. It was still commencing.

HochelagaJan 26, 20182 votes

Ryze is a nightmare to duel against. Him nearly escaping every ganks is just so dull.

JamesBlancheJan 27, 20183 votes

This is an issue with stopwatch and not the Ryze ultimate interaction with stasis. Yes, he can escape one gank with R+stopwatch, but beyond this that means Ryze has invested in an early Zhonya's in most instances.

Ryze doesn't want to build an early Zhonya's. It feels really bad to have to buy Zhonya's before mana items because of how mana hungry Ryze is. And on top of this, if you're in an AP matchup, you really don't want to be investing gold into an item that will provide you no stats for the lane (i.e. armour).

The Bad TouchJan 27, 20182 votes

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This is an issue with stopwatch and not the Ryze ultimate interaction with stasis. Yes, he can escape one gank with R+stopwatch, but beyond this that means Ryze has invested in an early Zhonya's in most instances.

Ryze doesn't want to build an early Zhonya's. It feels really bad to have to buy Zhonya's before mana items because of how mana hungry Ryze is. And on top of this, if you're in an AP matchup, you really don't want to be investing gold into an item that will provide you no stats for the lane (i.e. armour).

Mana items? LOL So you mean a item 3070 ?

AS I LAY FEEDINGJan 26, 20182 votes

Haha i used that all the time when the rework came. Too bad this was balance to competitve play not soloQ.

NaalithJan 27, 20182 votes

If he becomes unable to cast his R is cancelled, so thank god they finally got rid of stasis letting him still teleport.

GelmousJan 27, 20182 votes

you hate ryze that much ?

JamesBlancheJan 27, 20182 votes

Why bother taking Ryze over Azir anymore? Azir has a dash and a strong displacement ultimate. If we want to talk about a champion that is too safe let's talk about Azir.

Azir has more range, scales harder, has more mobility, has more cc... I'm confused.

VerarticusJan 27, 20182 votes

He's also infinitely harder to balance. So going by that with how the balance team has been working lately they'll probably just ignore it till season 9 and hope it goes away from something unrelated.

Beacon AcademyJan 27, 20182 votes

I kinda wish they made it so that it still teleported but Ryze-in-stasis would still be there lol

Denims Wrath666Jan 27, 20181 votes

it had much counter play Kappa

Iffy JarlJan 27, 20181 votes

where is this pbe?

Spice POWAHJan 28, 20181 votes

Maybe this means they can actually balance him for soloq, since he no longer has a near-guaranteed escape

LùmenJan 28, 20181 votes

At first it seemed like a nice interaction and all but it did get frustrating as people had a free get out of prison ticket for every time they overstayed in early game and didn't die for it, thus earning themselves a lead.. But Ryze isn't even in such a good spot right now, so why tho