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Players should learn the definitions of these words

Hochelaga··42 votes·2,492 views

Tilt : When a player gets angry at someone or something, often resulting in reduced quality of play. Usually used in the game League of Legends.

Int : Short for "to intentionally feed an enemy''

Troll : A person who causes acts of disruption to other players and to the community. These acts may include writing offensive messages or intentionally feeding the enemy. Trolls are also referred to as griefers.

Toxic : Used to describe a person whose attitude negatively influences the game.

Most of the time, I see players badly using these words in these typical situtations :

A Riven giving first blood top lane, then quickly comes back in lane with teleport and dies again. This doesn't mean that she's a troll or she INTed. Maybe she died because out of greediness because she tried to kill that top laner and failed again. The proper word for this situation would be tilting.

Picking items out of meta such as Armor Penetration Varus while the ''current meta'' requires him to buy guinsoo isn't trolling. In no way is this build unacceptable, it was once played before and who knows, maybe that player feels better to play Varus that way. A real troll example would be a Vayne buying Rabadon or something like that.

35 Comments

Jo0o24 votes

This is extremely troubling when "inting", used synonymously with "playing badly", results in reports. Riot's not forthcoming with the intricacies of how their report system works under the hood, but I strongly suspect that part of the trouble with banning real intentional feeders comes from so many erroneous reports.

NotSpecialDude6 votes

I kinda miss the report option "unskilled"

Granted, it's removal was pivotal as the only fitting punishment for being unskilled is losing. But like the close doors button on an elevator, it is nice to have.

SuddenAntagonist4 votes

I kinda feel like this was useful at times. If they really were unskilled, and the system identified that (somehow), then maybe it lowers their MMR by a larger degree in order to match them with more "equal" opponents. While this was probably more abused than it needed to be, if it worked correctly (and did this), you might actually be helping someone.

Nolkus Page3 votes

I'm pretty sure it was just a throwaway option. If you were just salty that someone played bad, reporting them for it was a way to get it out of your system as opposed to reporting them for intentional feeding which is what people do now. I don't think being an "unskilled player" has ever been, ever will be, or ever should be a punishable offense.

EL HAMSTERO2 votes

exactly right. that button was always a placebo only in place to make the reporter feel better.

SSJTribe6 votes

but I strongly suspect that part of the trouble with banning real intentional feeders comes from so many erroneous reports.

Garen -teed. Bolded for emphasis.

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kidu4KER,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-19T18:21:30.918+0000)

Don't read into it:-).

All reports have the same value and all trigger a review.

But if, as a community, you want feeders to be held accountable. It is in everyone's best interest to accurately report and make sure others do the same. It's hard to argue that the person you reported for feeding didn't get penalized when you report people for feeding who aren't. We do our best to create accurate models and detection methods, but it sure makes our job a lot harder when the signals are dirty. This is why intentional feeding is such a hard problem to solve.

and from the same thread

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kidu4KER,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-09-19T17:32:26.283+0000)

I looked at your report history. You report someone for feeding in LITERALLY every game you play.

Feeding is intentionally ruining the game for others by giving up kills in an effort to give the enemy an advantage, not having a bad game. I'm not entirely certain you are characterizing feeding correctly.

If you want the system to correctly identify your feeding reports, you need to stop reporting people for feeding who are not feeding.

Zombie Gerbil14 votes

I think players should mostly review the definition of Autistic and the reason why they should not use it. Due to the fact they overuse that word so much with no knowledge of what it really means.

Heckin Support2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4E0fUElH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-12T18:38:42.682+0000)

I think players should mostly review the definition of Autistic and the reason why they should not use it. Due to the fact they overuse that word so much with no knowledge of what it really means.

Autistic is heading into the same ballpark as retarded. The word itself means one thing but is used in society as another. The medical term for retardation isn't even called retarded anymore due to its social stigma, instead, it's called "profound intellectual deficit" or something. It's sad when people use words like that in the wrong context, gay is a huge offender of this too.

Nezekiel2 votes

gay used to mean happy, so its used contextually correct. just not in the way you want it to be

Flawless Fetus3 votes

In the real of teaching, it's called "intellectually disabled". Which to me sounds more "mean" than mentally retarded (slow) lol.

Pinkaj3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4E0fUElH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-12T18:38:42.682+0000)

I think players should mostly review the definition of Autistic and the reason why they should not use it. Due to the fact they overuse that word so much with no knowledge of what it really means.

People should also take caution with "kys" as well. I've seen a couple people have problems over this.

Nezekiel1 votes

why take caution with it in the same league as autistic? its not an overused misuse of a word its basicly a death threat unless your friends.. what just about nobody in league is

Pinkaj3 votes

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why take caution with it in the same league as autistic? its not an overused misuse of a word its basicly a death threat unless your friends.. what just about nobody in league is

Apparently the system detects it, even if you're in a 5 man premade and your friends know very well that you're joking.

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4E0fUElH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-12T18:38:42.682+0000)

I think players should mostly review the definition of Autistic and the reason why they should not use it. Due to the fact they overuse that word so much with no knowledge of what it really means.

Most of the time people use "autistic" or "autist", it's insulting to real autists.

Iffy Jarl1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4E0fUElH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-12T18:38:42.682+0000)

I think players should mostly review the definition of Autistic and the reason why they should not use it. Due to the fact they overuse that word so much with no knowledge of what it really means.

For reals, not just players either just this generation seems to think that autistic people are like not mentally functional which is untrue

Tribbles Foxfolk4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4E0fUElH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-12T18:38:42.682+0000)

I think players should mostly review the definition of Autistic and the reason why they should not use it. Due to the fact they overuse that word so much with no knowledge of what it really means.

^ This. Very much this. It's always been something that bothers me when "Autistic" is used interchangeably with "Stupid" "Idiotic" or, as the more vulgar (and common) examples would put it..."Retarded".

Trash-talking is fine, but I highly doubt "Autistic" as an insult stays within the realm of decent-hearted ribbing.

(My opinions are rather biased since I personally have A.S.D., so take it for what you will)

It Hertz When IP6 votes

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A Riven giving first blood top lane, then quickly comes back in lane with teleport and dies again. This doesn't mean that she's a troll or she INTed. Maybe she died because out of greediness because she tried to kill that top laner and failed again. The proper word for this situation would be tilting.

Majority of community doesn't understand the difference between "I'm Int-ing" and "I'm just bad". Hell, most of the Boards population don't even understand.

Potato Doc4 votes

As an english major I have some input into this. Over time every language changes. Meaning of words change by the sheer misuse or intentional misuse of words. This gives them new and different connotation and definition. To say internet lingo is different is just ignorant. We say "int" after one death, or trolling after a failed play that got oneself low because it has evolved to that point because the majority of people accepted it as a use. Sure we can go with "definitions" but these words are evolving and no matter if you think they are stupid or not that is just how life and the internet is.

swordofsun5 votes

I would counter that for the definition to truly change the people have to be using it differently.

i.e. int could mean someone who dies quickly and easily without regards for intention, but it's not used like that. People who accuse others of int'ing are still using the meaning of "died on purpose". Thus the use of it to describe the Riven in OPs example would be incorrect. That Riven was not intentionally dying.

Now if the word int evolved to remove the implication that the death was on purpose we would have an argument for shifting languages. As it stands though the definition of the words as we know them are the most accurate. Taking the Riven from the original example someone could certainly say that the Riven was int'ing, but by doing so they are saying that Riven is doing it intentionally, which is not the case as the Riven in the example was simply playing badly.

A good example of modern shifting of language would be the word literally. Literally originally meant "this thing that actually happened" but over the past few decades has come to mean "this thing that didn't happen but which I'm saying to add emphasis". Both meaning are now an considered acceptable uses and are even listed in the dictionary as such. It's commonly understood that if I say, "I am literally dying of laughter" that I am not in fact dying I am just laughing a lot.

Edit to give more LOL related example: I would argue that while int is a bad example of language shifting due to alternate uses not being wide spreed enough you could argue that feed has changed within the context of the game. Feeding can have an implication of being done on purpose, but it's used much more generally to say that a person has just died a lot to one other. This can be due to bad match up or tilting or whatever. People can even say things like, "This is so bad, I fed the Zed like 3 kills during laning." You can say it about yourself and others and it can be neutral or assigning blame. There are multiple uses and multiple definitions of the word based on how it's used.

I don't think int has achieved even mildly popular use as a general statement of dying several times in a short period or some such without also implying that it was intentional by the player.

Potato Doc2 votes

To begin with your initial argument is fundamentally incorrect, so while your argument seems solid it is incorrect that any change must be large for any change to happen at all with languages. The changes can be large or small and subtle but regardless they do change and those changes change. If you want any indication you should look up the evolution of the English language, its incredible how large and small changes in the common words completely changed the way people spoke even having some short periods that had huge revolutions in the way people talked.

Zed genius2 votes

Who even uses inting for its actual meaning anyway ?

PurpleKingCrazy2 votes

"Troll" is essentially a loose definition. You're essentially putting down Troll as a bad thing, but in reality they're people who would want to make you react to them in a certain way and they will make a fool out of you.

In other cases you are right. But when dealing with certain types of people is only going to be influenced by yourself in a certain way. Often tilting is referred as putting salt in a wound, often making stress out of yourself more than any other person, even if you're that kind of Riven player. And sure, some riven players have big egos and are extremely salty about it, but that doesn't mean they could try to think of a different way to put that.

And of course, toxicity of the person depends on how s/he is affecting the game in a way. Usually by inting they are essentially giving up their life constantly to the enemy, building up gold and boils down to a 4 v 5. But playing badly and trying so hard to win is not one of those times. I mean, some Tristana player can go 0/5 and yet she splitpushes too and win the game. It's not that she's bad at all, but often a poor matchup but she used the strat to her will and make it more winnable. A Yasuo saying in all chat of how great he is and then dying horribly late game means that the Yasuo did something wrong and then giving up the win that was essentially his.

The meta itself kinda molds to a certain playstyle certain people have and then try to overcome that obstacle can be bearing sometimes, especially on normal games. Sometimes it's not about the build, but the player itself in general.

Taliyah

Troll for Trump2 votes

No one uses the words based on a preset definition. There's no need to get into semantics if their intention is clear, unless you just want to be a jerk about it.

If someone is doing really pooly and gets called a "inter" or "troll," people know how to interpret the words; they aren't computers. Unlike IFS, they can actually make judgments.

gghaee2 votes

toxic is synonymous with "fuck you bud you hurt my feelers"

sleepysithlord1 votes

I have a hard time believing that in a ranked game, you can have the most deaths in the game without soft inting.

Silent Gravity6 votes

So in every game at least one person (since ties happen) is inting?

BladeSteel4 votes

So that ww game that you played yesterday...you inted in that game, per your logic

sleepysithlord1 votes

yes. I started out 8/0 but my mid and adc lost lane anyways so I was just trying to go next but they did a good job of holding me hostage. sometimes I rack up a lot of deaths in hostage scenarios. It was kind of similar to the 5/1 jax game that I lost at 19 minutes. Except that game all my losing laners diid not decide to hold me hostage and listened to my call to open and go next

Jinx Hunter1 votes

I just call people fools for tiliting, tools for feeding, and monkeys for trolling. I don't really care if someone is being "toxic" because there is a block button if it annoys me.

Quannari1 votes

Vayne But I want my "challenjour" fedora...item 3089

Bruh im ok1 votes

kogmaw with rabadon is not bad. his ult just got high dmg

LordGeovanni1 votes

Int : Short for "to intentionally feed an enemy'' this is misused far too much by the community, the boards, and by rioters, and people who represent rioters. Youtubers and twitch people too. They get mad when other people so and so Int but say dam im inting when they do bad. They dont see this as bad. not every 0/4 score is an int. if an ally gets camped from jungle and is 0/4 by 7 minutes be thankful 1 that means jungle may see him as a bigger threat than you and 2 he is keeping the jungle off of camping your lane while he is worth less and less every death 4 kills on your team from only one character= less gold for the enemy than 4 of your teammates of your team having 1 death and also means they get access to catch up gold lessening the blow even more Using int makes things far worse for people phycologically. Those youtubers and twicth streammers should be banned for admitting to inting which means that they intentionally fed if not just to get them to use another set of words that doesnt auto tilt the whole community as the face of what your game is about. Omg this player on my team is having a bad game is far less toxic than omg this player on my team is inting can you not.

Hecate1 votes

What I disapprove is the use of "inting", most of them all. Maybe someone died 5 times in a row because they have a bad game but it doesn't mean they do it on purpose.

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