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Regarding the rift herald + devourer nerf. It should be switched with Dragon.

LordKentravyon·3/8/2016, 11:05:06 PM·1 votes·545 views

TL:DR The nerf to sated junglers was good but applied in the wrong place. The stack nerf should be applied to dragon instead of rift herald.

Now I know there are many who dislike sated junglers atm and to be honest I really cannot blame them. However I think this nerf coming out, is a good step froward but also applied poorly.

Let us compare rift and dragon for a moment.

  • Dragon is significantly easier to take than rift. Most junglers can solo it fairly early (around 6 or sooner) with little to no problem. Wheras rift hurts significantly more and often the jungler requires assistance from top / mid to get it. (even in slightly later levels)
  • Dragon gives permanent stacking buffs for the entire team that lasts for the duration of the game. Wheras rift gives a one many baron buff for shoving lane. (which can also potentially expose the buffed champion to a gank) From a long term standpoint dragon is more valuable for the team.
  • RIft herald is often ignored in games when no junglers are going for sated, whereas dragon is always contested. This implies the stacks on rift are considered its most important asset.

Based on this I think it would be healthier and more balanced for the two monsters to have their stacks inverse. Making the epic monsters be.

Dragon:

  • Easy
  • Large team bonus
  • Smaller individual bonus
  • 2 stacks

Rift:

  • difficult
  • minimal team bonus. (only effects team if grouping to take advantage of buffed individual)
  • Significant individual bonuses (for buffed individual and sated jungler
  • 5 stacks

In my opinion this will have little consequence to dragon but help preserve the importance of the undervalued rift herald . I also kind of think nerfing it down to 2 is a little harsh especially since it was applied to rift. I think 3 would be better but that's a much smaller concern.

Any thoughs?

4 Comments

Quepha3/8/2016, 11:32:32 PM2 votes

You're completely misunderstanding the purpose of the change and are unaware of the state of the game as it currently exists.

Rift Herald is giving so much individual power right now that taking dragon becomes meaningless when devourer junglers are just countering a dragon secure with Rift Herald to stack devourer in record time and carry the game.

It's like the tower swap that's happening where teams don't actually interact with each other in the early game and instead go trade objectives on opposite sides of the map, only instead of towers it's the epic river monsters.

Dragon NEEDS to be objectively better than Rift Herald or there's no reason to actually play against the other team and contest it when you can instead just go to the other side of the map to take Dragon 2: Electric Boogaloo for an equal amount of benefit.

Best Valor NA3/8/2016, 11:12:27 PM1 votes

2 Stacks is too big of a nerf to it. I'd say 3 stacks would be better.

So many times I'll be like "We can do rift herald! The jungler and top laner are dead!" and they'll be like "Nah I don't need it" BRUH I NEED THE STACKS THO.

Not as many laners will help rift herald. but most people are down to get dragon.