Riot for the love of god please dont give Xayah and Rakan the Camille Treatment

the weeaboo·Apr 7, 2017·9 votes·1,965 views

Camille Treatment kuh-MEEL TREET-ment noun "Wow, I hope they don't give Rakan the Camille Treatment"

The act of releasing a champ before their stats have been tuned, have the champ gain the community's hate, and proceed to overcompensate by dumpstering the champ and all their versatility.

Use their time on the PBE to fine-tune them before release. Please. Rakan in particular (he looks genuinely too strong, Xayah seems okay). I don't want them to come out and get excited, only for them to be nerfed for the next 6 months to a point where they are actually weak just because you overcompensated.

18 Comments

GULAG 4 UApr 7, 20173 votes

To be honest, the only really valid bitching about camille was her ulti and numbers. Her kit is mostly fine- It has clear counterplay, and isn't ridiculously hard to play against (Unless you pick shit like lux top). It's a very interactive kit outside the ulti.

RexSaurApr 7, 20173 votes

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To be honest, the only really valid bitching about camille was her ulti and numbers. Her kit is mostly fine- It has clear counterplay, and isn't ridiculously hard to play against (Unless you pick shit like lux top). It's a very interactive kit outside the ulti.

Her whole kit is overpowered lmao.

GULAG 4 UApr 7, 20173 votes

Sad, because you can't read. I never denied it was overpowered; I'm denying that it has no counterplay.

Sorry dude, but open yer fuckin' eyes. Helps dodging skillshots. Trust me.

the weeabooApr 7, 20173 votes

In what ways may I ask? I see an awful lot of a Camille hate for a champ that many people have never played against in the last 5 patches. Please link a match in which you played against a fed Camille this patch. Pretty sure half the people that claim the champ is overpowered either 1. Watched a bunch of PBE gameplay and decided without playing against her she was broken or 2. Played against her once or twice the when she first came out (when she was actually broken), got stomped, and got it permanently set in their minds that she was broken despite not playing against her since because she is frequently banned.

I have yet to see a Camille picked in blind pick (no bans) more than 3 times. Nor ranked in games where she isn't banned, since 7.2. Not only that but I find it easy as hell to counter her. Choose a tank top and buy Sunfire.

the weeabooApr 7, 20172 votes

I don't see what's so hard about countering her. Tank + Sunfire + CC. Stay away from her Q, dodge her clear ass W and E just like you do with every other skillshot? CC her ass if she goes on you and walk back a little bit. Play Nautilus, Poppy, Maokai, etc. And she's fucked. Everyone that complains probably plays Yasuo or Jayce top and thinks she's op because they build no defense and can't one shot her.

GULAG 4 UApr 7, 20172 votes

Exactly. Thank you.

YoungSirJ0eyApr 12, 20171 votes

Her E is too fast to dodge consistently. I won't argue about any other point you made, but no one on Earth can consistently dodge her E. She'd be pretty damn shit if it was easy to dodge.

ReavelockApr 7, 20171 votes

I thought it was fun that riot released a champion that was a little broken and impactful like older champions. All the recent champions they have released have felt really boring/unimpactful and the community kinda forced them into the ground with cries for nerfs. I hope they keep Rakan and Xayah a little ahead of the curve and reduce their cooldowns, considering the fact it is a game and it should be fun to play champions.

chipndip1Apr 7, 20171 votes

"A little"...

Acheron16Apr 7, 20171 votes

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To be honest, the only really valid bitching about camille was her ulti and numbers. Her kit is mostly fine- It has clear counterplay, and isn't ridiculously hard to play against (Unless you pick shit like lux top). It's a very interactive kit outside the ulti.

I dont see how.

Q- counterplay: dont let her get near you W- counterplay: dashing or flashing E-counterplay: there is none (except Zhonia effects) R-counterplay: there is none (except Zhonia effects)

GULAG 4 UApr 7, 20171 votes

Q- If she tries to meat in more damage, you can disengage and punish her for getting greedy W-It's perfectly possible to avoid the damage without flashing or using mobility spells. E- it's a skillshot, it's dodgeable. Also CCable. It's not 0 counterplay. You literally refuse to see it. R- There is, knocking her out of the zone and not staying alone (As an immobile adc/mage) when camille is around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY_vFjpu-eE

Acheron16Apr 8, 20171 votes

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Q- If she tries to meat in more damage, you can disengage and punish her for getting greedy W-It's perfectly possible to avoid the damage without flashing or using mobility spells. E- it's a skillshot, it's dodgeable. Also CCable. It's not 0 counterplay. You literally refuse to see it. R- There is, knocking her out of the zone and not staying alone (As an immobile adc/mage) when camille is around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY_vFjpu-eE

Nah man, you're confusing counterplay with Camille misplaying.

If she's too greedy with her Q- she misplayed If she misses her W on a champ with no mobility - she misplayed If she doesnt manage to hit anyone with E - she clicked too far from you (misplayed) or you got someone to block it for you (not true counterplay) If the oponent has no displacement (those are rarer than you think) - no counterplay, which is the reason it's being nerfed again. Having someone else saving is also not counterplay, if you have someone else with you, then it is automatically a 2v1.

GULAG 4 UApr 8, 20171 votes

Your brain must not be working properly.

Q- it doesn't deal true damage (thus relevant) if you don't get greedy and wait the 1.5 seconds. She loses a lot of damage if she doesn't delay it.

W- It slows her down, while your ms is perfectly fine. You have more mobility than her during this time, so if she hits you, ya fucked up. just look at the god damn video.

E- It's a skillshot. Not impossible to dodge. Skillshots are things that are avoidable, so no, it has counterplay.

Have you ever heard of counterpicking? If you pick lux into camille, you are an idiot, enough said.

Clearly your mentality is "I cannot improve, and dodging skillshots isn't outplaying, it's them misplaying". Perhaps it explains your S5 30% winrate?

MissingKayoApr 7, 20171 votes

Both of them are retardedly broken.

Xayah's damage is too high, especially with Lethality and BOTRK. Rakan's AP scalings are too high for shields/healing, and he's also incredibly mobile.