Make Jayce E do physical damage ffs.

MunchCrunchLunch·Oct 25, 2016·78 votes·3,888 views

I am building armor against Jayce. I don't want to lose 500 hp because his E does max health magic damage. this is bullshit. he builds and pen reds. I can barely get enough armor in my bruiser builds.

66 Comments

EvewynnOct 25, 20168 votes

Armor pen jayce buffs? I dunno man..sounds scary..

MunchCrunchLunchOct 25, 201610 votes

he should be strong against squish and weak to tanks. not strong against all. the other day i took over 1k damage from two Es as a tank top laner

GayFluffyUnicornOct 25, 201629 votes

The last game you played against a Jayce (in the last three days) was as Jax jungle. Your build isn't that tanky. Except for 1 1/2 armor items. Considering your passive MR will further reduce jayces E dmg you would need around 5k HP to get hit for 500 dmg per E. Doubt that happened. I smell upvote farming since hating on Jayce became popular the last few days. And i don't know why he should be "weak" to tanks? He's a full dmg carry, ofc he's going to shred tanks in a 1v1. I mean sure Jayce is pretty busted (which he has been before people just started to realise how strong he actually is) and will receive nerfs in the next patch but it's sad to see how Boards jump from one bandwaggon to the other once there is a champ they actually have to think about how to fight him instead of just jumping on him and beating the shit out of it.

My Waifu VanillaOct 25, 20162 votes

For being a full damage carry he shouldn't have tank levels of base stats. 3k health at 18 with just BC? You got it. 65 base MR at 16? Hell yeah. 120 base armor at 18? Suuuuure. Throw in a Maw and he is actually tankier than most actual fighters.

VeltoxOct 25, 20161 votes

Complains about being tanky in THIS season. Are we playing same game?

MelledoneusOct 25, 20167 votes

I think we need to agree that E does not need to deal %HP magic damage if all his other abilities hit like a truck.

Jet SettOct 25, 20161 votes

Jayce levels up his E second when dealing with tanky/engage champions because his W generally doesn't deal the damage he needs while his E does. And if Jayce has to use his E offensively then he won't it to peel himself from a gank, or further engage he may have not anticipated.

MelledoneusOct 25, 20162 votes

To be fair he does have a movement speed increase gate in his kit, and he gets speed for transforming, so...

Jet SettOct 25, 20162 votes

I was more referring to hard peel that would help you escape something like Jax or Shen cc. The movement speed is definitely helpful and has helped me escape dangerous situations, but in situations where running won't save you he's basically an ADC without his E.

Just looked at the numbers on his E, I'm all for a base nerf. 20% of someone's health is too much.

MelledoneusOct 25, 20161 votes

Glad we're on the same page and all, but Shen's CC can only be applied if he collides with his enemy. So if he's running unless his opponent flashes in front of him, he's not using his hard CC.

Jet SettOct 25, 20161 votes

Well bonus movement speed is more of a supplementary escape, so if say Shen is on top of you (I know it's foolish to let him get there) then the movement won't help you out as much as the knock back would.

Spaceman5pffOct 26, 20161 votes

He will almost always use the gate offensively. In fact, the gate probably has higher offensive priority than the Hammer E.

LatetotheRaceOct 25, 20162 votes

" MAGIC DAMAGE: 8 / 10.4 / 12.8 / 15.2 / 17.6 / 20% of target's maximum health (+ 100% bonus AD) 」" At Q level 5 with 200 Bonus AD (I would expect 300-350 AD tbh), you can easily do 200 + 200/1k damage. If you have 3000 hp on a fighter he'll hit around 800 damage. This is excluding damage amplifiers, and excluding mr. So doing 1k in 2 abilities is more than reasonable.

"He's a full dmg carry, ofc he's going to shred tanks in a 1v1." Then what kills him eh? He has the safety of ranged harass, while having a safe disengage. Keep in mind that ranged harass can break 1k damage while having a 8 and 16 second CD for both Q and E respectively.

"Boards jump from one bandwaggon" Keep in mind, when a pro player abuses a champion it gets more people to adhere to what a good portion of us already knew.

LankPantsOct 25, 20165 votes

Either that or just flat damage so it's not a giant fuck-off nuke as well as a huge fuck you ability.

k wìxOct 25, 20165 votes

Yep. I am so done with Jayce. He's absolutely broken right now and worlds proved it.

PLEASE address his insane damage potential.

Hyrum GraffOct 25, 20165 votes

Making it deal physical damage increases how snowbally he is. That's because jayce can't build magic pen to make his E do more damage.. but if you make it physical then he can. And on the other hand, if he doesn't get ahead, your armor is more effective against him and he's overall weaker.

tl;dr a little bit of mixed damage is healthy

NineTailedMysticOct 25, 20162 votes

20% max HP damage is still a little bonkers for having 6 abilities.

Hyrum GraffOct 26, 20161 votes

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20% max HP damage is still a little bonkers for having 6 abilities.

I was pointing out that the change OP is asking for would not have a desirable result. I made no comment about whether this particular case is too balanced or not.

Knight DevoutOct 25, 20164 votes

I think that would turn out to be a buff, considering he get arpen anyway.

HazyCloud7Oct 25, 20163 votes

This wasn't an issue when he had to dump 750g into tear rather than grabbing a serrated dirk/phage/warhammer first back, he just needs his mana costs increased.

Samflash3Oct 26, 20163 votes

http://m.imgur.com/vBDqra1?r

GengarOct 25, 20162 votes

How about everyone stops complaining about balance right now because Riot doesn't care until after pre-season changes roll out. Anyone who might be considered broken now probably won't be after pre-season. If you need to rant, then okay I guess.

My Waifu VanillaOct 25, 20162 votes

I mean Jayce has no changes coming any time soon nor are his "bad" match ups getting any better. If anything he gets a new toy with EoN and buffed Ghostblade to kill squishies even faster.....because he needed more help doing that. Akali and Irelia are the only champions I actually play top that can beat him and Akali is getting removed from the game next patch so I shouldn't be forced to pick Irelia because 95% of top laners get shit on by Jayce. Tank? Good luck farming ranged VS melee especially since he rushes BC. Fighter? Ranged VS melee when his all-in makes yours look like a little slap on the wrist and his E disengages every champion with less than 2 gap closers. Another ranged? Chances are you are squishier than he is and his all-in can and will 100-0 you after 1 item. Ganks? If Jayce is even REMOTELY ahead he is the king of 1v2s.

VeltoxOct 25, 20164 votes

You have absolutely no right to complain about overloaded kits when u play Irelia .

XevestOct 25, 20161 votes

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I mean Jayce has no changes coming any time soon nor are his "bad" match ups getting any better. If anything he gets a new toy with EoN and buffed Ghostblade to kill squishies even faster.....because he needed more help doing that. Akali and Irelia are the only champions I actually play top that can beat him and Akali is getting removed from the game next patch so I shouldn't be forced to pick Irelia because 95% of top laners get shit on by Jayce. Tank? Good luck farming ranged VS melee especially since he rushes BC. Fighter? Ranged VS melee when his all-in makes yours look like a little slap on the wrist and his E disengages every champion with less than 2 gap closers. Another ranged? Chances are you are squishier than he is and his all-in can and will 100-0 you after 1 item. Ganks? If Jayce is even REMOTELY ahead he is the king of 1v2s.

Darius and Illaoi want to have a word with u.

Oakleaf RangerOct 25, 20162 votes

idk about illaoi but darius does not win if the Jayce knows how to kite.

JöJöOct 25, 20162 votes

Pretty sure they meant Illaoi/Darius are the queen/king of 1v2's not that its a good lane for them.

Oakleaf RangerOct 25, 20161 votes

ahh

XevestOct 26, 20161 votes

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idk about illaoi but darius does not win if the Jayce knows how to kite.

I was joking about the 1v2 king part not matchups.

dunkeroniOct 25, 20162 votes

It's a hextech electric field. Please explain to me how you could ever justify that AOE as physical damage?

The DeckownerOct 26, 20161 votes

because electricity is a form of energy created by the flow or movement of electrons, which is physical, no chemistry or magic involved.

dunkeroniOct 26, 20161 votes

because electricity is a form of energy created by the flow or movement of electrons, which is physical, no chemistry or magic involved.

Yeah no.

If that were the case, Viktor's Chaos Storm, all of Kennen's abilities, Heimerdinger's Bombs, Thunderlord's Decree, Xerath's everything, and Blitzcrank ult would all be physical damage instead of magic.

Orianna's Ball is a techmaturgical creation "relying more heavily on electricity than clockwork", and even it deals magic damage.

Jayce's Mercury Hammer is a techmaturgical creation, and the field it creates is more magical than anything else. If you can find a single electric damage source that doesn't deal magic damage, please post about it here.

The DeckownerOct 26, 20162 votes

jinx W Zap does physical dmg

Spaceman5pffOct 26, 20161 votes

Riggity riggity rekt

dunkeroniOct 26, 20161 votes

Regardless of the name, I don't think Jinx's "shock pistol Zapper" can be described in the same context as an electric field. It's a slow moving plasma projectile, which strikes on impact with the first physical object it hits, making it seem more physical than electrical. In her skins, it often fires a physical projectile as well (Mafia Jinx fires a cork).

The best comparison would be Jayce's Q in ranged mode, which also acts as a slow-moving plasma projectile and deals physical damage.

The DeckownerOct 26, 20161 votes

jinx w fires a shock blast

jayce q is literally called shock blast

dunkeroniOct 26, 20161 votes

Then thematically they should deal the same damage, which is physical.

The DeckownerOct 26, 20161 votes

The best comparison would be Jayce's Q in ranged mode

hunmm

jinx w fires a shock blast jayce q is literally called shock blast

dunkeroniOct 27, 20161 votes

I take it by this you agree with me that Jayce's Jinx's plasma projectiles should both be AD, and that all true electric field/discharge based attacks are magic damage.

Pandemic PunchOct 26, 20162 votes

Oh you mean you want health% true damage instead!?!? OK!!! Coming right up!!! Don't you worry! We will have it fixed in no time!

DemonicousOct 25, 20161 votes

To all of those complaining about Jayce... I am your training guru. You watch this 2 minute workout video and you will perform better.

counter-Jayce Training video

DeathTheHorsemanOct 26, 20162 votes

Yep good luck dodging his hammer form gap closer followed by a knockback 20% max HP ability followed by acceleration gate + shockblast (while you are still being knocked back) followed by chase down with bonus MS and AS when he returns to ranged.

Bottom line:

If you are melee and you are not darius then you are fcked.

DemonicousOct 26, 20161 votes

Yeah... is that true?

Chogath DrMundo Fizz Gnar Illaoi Irelia JarvanIV Kled LeeSin Olaf Sion Volibear Singed

Especially Mundo and Irelia.

Melee champs I have spanked Jayce players with. Now I am no challenger level player so if I can you ought to be able to. More importantly why is your team not there to help prevent Jayce from snowballing? Remember its a team game. Also the "Melee" part of the argument is moot due to the unusually high meta occurrence of Vayne, Quinn, and Kindred top laners.

DengedenOct 25, 20161 votes

Or take MR glyphs, you want those anyway and laugh in his face because he has no magic pen.

Oakleaf RangerOct 25, 20161 votes

I do,but Jayce just laughs and keeps backhanding me anyway.

DengedenOct 25, 20164 votes

Take solace in the fact that it'd be even worse if it was physical damage then.

LatetotheRaceOct 25, 20161 votes

In what way would it be worse if he did physical damage....

DengedenOct 25, 20165 votes

Armor pen

LatetotheRaceOct 26, 20161 votes

Let's see here, 20 + 30% on the best of days. I still stacked 300 armor, so that's still around 180 armor..... That's higher than my 100-140 mr. I don't see the problem.

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 25, 20161 votes

maybe armor isnt the answer??????