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sated devourer ... i hate it

Knight SoIaire ··2 votes·858 views

its the way it interacts with owerall power ballance in the game

normaly you have carries who stand on similar level all of them ... mages marksmen yasuos and other freaks and even jungle yi's using warrior enchant then you have typical fighters tanks and supports

this is the ladder of offensive power

but thanks to sated this changes into something that has a very toxic gameplay behind it

first you have jungler with sated dewourer ... if they dont suck they will get some takedowns and gold andremove people in seconds with barely any items then far away you have normal carries ... if they are lucky they can 2v1 the sated jungler in the end game ... assuming they have a strong cc and realy insane burst ... and a load of luck to back it up ... no tank cant be used instead of other carry ... because tank will die as fast as your carry ... so you need enough power to do the thing that riot removed from this game (remove the guy without giving him a chance at reacting ... the specialization of old assasins and current sated junglers)

and the rest is the same

sated junglers are dictating the game preety often ... the good thing is that unlike feral junglers they need to apear on the map sometime

last game that infuriated me ... i had an enemy yi

4 seconds ... 2k damage 1/3 true 1/3 magic 1/3 physical (yeah i checked death recap for that and those were the walues it showed) he had sated ... and botrk .. he was starting to build lw then first off this damage is insane for someone with 2 items and boots second is the fact that untargetability makes it realy hard to fight him when fights last for short periods of time third is the fact that there is no way to counter it

i played the new gp who is completly broken with his barely true damage aoe crits ... couldnt even scratch him

couple games before i had a jungle kayle as an enemy ... entire team planning on how to take the b***h down and we have nothing to spare to fight her team (kinda like with katarina ... those situations are insanely toxic)

and the next thing is that those guys dont even work for their power ... im staying top constantly working on how to take enemy laner down and aid my team ... constantly risking and trying to outplay/ play better than the enemy ... that guy just needs to right click the jungle and walk into lane couple of times to get the power of an end game carry in mid game

sated is too strong ... what riot thought about while making this item "late game junglers exist and do just fine so lets make the thrice as powerfull as anything else" ? they werent picked because adc's are the belly of the world and there is no place for another carry in the teamcomp ... thats riot fault not the ballance problem ... why im getting puished for that with bad gameplay experience

im realy happy for all the things that make it better than flare ... but in game ... its feral flare v2

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EndlessSorcerer1 votes

"Devourer"

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

another reason to hate the damn thing

Personwithhat1 votes

K, another rant. filed under who cares

Oh btw,

LOL yi no way to counter? think carefully

BOTRK and Devourer do on-hit dmg, and don't give more AD. -> his Q doesn't do as much dmg -> if he's hitting you , you can hit him

and honest to god, you're complaining THAT A YI GOING FULL DAMAGE IS OUT-DUELING YOU? HONESTLY?

and as for kayle LOLOLOL. She's squishy as !@#$, and does DoT. She uses her ult -> you live for 2 more seconds - > kill her.

Then again "walking into lane and getting a few kills" is hard with a UNSTACKED DEVOURER.

Stacking = farming, so they're getting their early kills, with their skills. Not their "natural OP".

Any jungler, if given 2-3 early kills, is "OP" especailly if they're late game anyway. Kayle has always been more mid-game + , ditto to yi (yi doesn't gank worth shit pre 6). Devourer just focused that.

Tip: CC them , PROBLEM SOLVED. Think about Zed, Fizz, etc. who can burst people down.......

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

LOL yi no way to counter? think carefully

no way to counter him dealing all 3 types of damage at equal ... you cant build items that will effectively stop him from reducing you to ash please read carefully ... your statement is completly false in this thread since you didnt bother to read

and honest to god, you're complaining THAT A YI GOING FULL DAMAGE IS OUT-DUELING YOU? HONESTLY?

yi with sated and botrk makes a static shiw and ie look like nothing ... i had better items than him and the fight was insanely one sided even when as a gp i did crit with my q and static ... ate an orange and gave him another crit ... still no chance ... it wasnt k

there are other champions who duel like mad in this game ... and whatever it would be yi aatrox kayle diana ... with dewourer stacked at this time it would make ie and shiw lok like trash no matter how lucky you get with crits

and as for kayle LOLOLOL. She's squishy as !@#$, and does DoT. She uses her ult -> you live for 2 more seconds - > kill her.

again ... killng her is only an option when you are alive yourself ... do you remember when kayle was op ? i do ... you couldnt kill her cause she killed you and even if you outpowered her she made it not worth during that 2 seconds

also she has no dot ... she deals sustained damage just like yi

i am aware that they dont go this big every game ... but when they get lucky with some additional stacks or gold gain ... those champions go insane ... dealing damage carries will never be able to output ... and thus making you unable to kill them that easily

Personwithhat1 votes

Your grammar and thoughts are pretty childish.

Yi : If he builds AS you counter AS. I've played devourer + botrk yi, believe me, he isn't as OP as you want to think (unless vs noobs).

Did I mention that devourer = non-stop farming? lol

Kayle: yes, damage over time, or dps, it takes time for her to kill you.....

and LOL

listen the entire POINT of them is to go big with devourer. Yi is a notoriously snowbally champ, getting devourer hasn't changed it one bit.

Kayle? listen carefully, SHE ....CAN....BE....COUNTERED.

Just becuase you're the !@#$ adc doesn't mean you can 1 v 1 her, she ignores your burst.

Plus carries filla different role and do more damage than them.

Just stop, until you give full context and #'s this post is just another rage thread.

note im writing this mid-match, so im not really checking for validity :P

I do know what your'e saying is bs though.....

Oh one more thing, IE + shiv > Devourer in burst. Devourer > DPS. Obviously the two fill different niches, so srsly....

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

Yi : If he builds AS you counter AS. I've played devourer + botrk yi, believe me, he isn't as OP as you want to think (unless vs noobs).

if you want to be sarcastic aka bastard who hides himself you arent succesfull

i know that this yi isnt as op as he seems ... but he got this much power this early into the game ... it would take us a load of passive play which we couldnt do to catch up to him and get counter items

he just popped out of nowhere and went big ... totaly big ... when someone gets fed you can react to it ... this yi didnt give us a chance

Did I mention that devourer = non-stop farming? lol

actualy not ... you still suck at being a bastard

Kayle: yes, damage over time, or dps, it takes time for her to kill you.....

depends on the amount ... the fact she deals sustained damage doesnt mean she cant kill you in less than 2 seconds the same applies to yi who also deals sustained damage

Plus carries filla different role and do more damage than them.

hard to agree ... marksmen are safer ... but that doesnt give crap when frontline gets removed

Oh one more thing, IE + shiv > Devourer in burst. Devourer > DPS. Obviously the two fill different niches, so srsly....

just like with kayle its about amount the ie +shiw burst at its finest didnt stand a chance just because yi took 2k dmg out of thin air in mid game

i still dont know why he had this much damage ... but it shouldnt be possible to spend this little gold for this much damage

Personwithhat1 votes

if you want to be sarcastic aka bastard who hides himself you arent succesfull

and that kids, is why most "nert it rito please" threads are trash.

Now, I'll attempt to not be a "sarcastic bastard who hides himself" and will try to , painfully, explain it to you.

i know that this yi isnt as op as he seems ... but he got this much power this early into the game ... it would take us a load of passive play which we couldnt do to catch up to him and get counter items

he just popped out of nowhere and went big ... totaly big ... when someone gets fed you can react to it ... this yi didnt give us a chance

To start off with, WTF is your definition of early game?

You're blaming devourer as the item, DUE TO ITS FULLY STACKED PASSIVE.

Now, it takes 30 stacks, and you need to have the item to make it full. With buff spawn times of ~5 minutes, jungle camps of ~2 minutes, and assuming you only take your jungle since the enemy is doing the same with theirs,

4 per 2 minutes + 2 per 5 minutes, for a total of 30 => approximately 7 full clears or so + the two buffs.

That's about 14 minutes, assuming you insta-kill all the camps with 1 click and have 0 travel time......

You don't have your devourer on first clear -> those stacks don't count.

Neither do you have it on first back (~6 minutes into game), so the second clear doesn't count.

second back you have it, but you haven't been ganking much since you're Yi and your early game is shit. So, about 10 or so minutes into the game you have your devourer.

Now , assuming you farm 24/7 with TP and insta-kill, get drag , and both scuttles, that's much faster (lol gl doing that every game), and you will mb get your devourer fully stacked at about ~20+ minutes.

A very good time is ~20 minutes, and you have to be fairly lucky.....

So, taking into account that it's at least 20 minutes into the game, any lower is physically impossible unless you gave him like 3+ kills by first back.....and then you have other issues....

So, with 20+ minutes, you're saying that Yi, the mid-game+ carry champ who excels in taking down ADC's, is OP because he takes down ADC's?

You had "no way to counter him. Two words. Crowd control. BOOM, OMG WTF YI SO WEAK CAN'T DO SHIT KEEP GETTING STUNLOCKED.

No peels = dead carry cough for every assassin cough

He doesn't go "really big" instantly. I would have tought that it being mid-game and all, and him having 2 damage items , would tell you something. Or that 1-2 of you died, he's still managable. If 5 of you died to him by sheer stupidity or bad luck, well it's not the devourer that's doing it....

hard to agree ... marksmen are safer ... but that doesnt give crap when frontline gets removed

Hm...ah, I see your problem. You're comparing a assassin, the one who's supposed to 1 v 1 your carry and blow them to bits, to people that fulfill other roles.

You're complaining that a champion whose entire role is blowing carries up, blows them up. and WTF is it with the "frontline gets removed" ?

I ASSURE YOU that a Yi CANNOT GO 1 V 3 IF YOU HAVE ANY CC. PERIOD. UNLESS HE'S INSAAAAAANELY FED.

So, the tanks with cc aren't there? WTF do you expect the assassin to do? NOT blow up that squishy carry? THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY'RE SQUISHIES.

just like with kayle its about amount the ie +shiw burst at its finest didnt stand a chance just because yi took 2k dmg out of thin air in mid game

i still dont know why he had this much damage ... but it shouldnt be possible to spend this little gold for this much damage

.........We both play league? right?

BOTRK = 3200 Devourer = 2250

IE=3800 Static Shiv = 2500

IE and SS offer greater, sustained burst, with crits and the SS passive. IT takes longer to get up to 100% crit chance, but it's well worth it (more late-game ish)

BOTRK is better vs tanks than squishies. Devourer is decent but falls off. I REPEAT, FALLS OFF.

A yi with devourer + BOTRK is set for a god-mode mid-game, especially if ahead/fed. A Yi with the crit build is set for a decent mid-game and a god-mode late game.

The cost difference is about 1k in gold, and it DEFENITLY is more bursty with teh IE+SS build. IF you have 2 seconds to kill someone, I'd take crits over devourer any day.

Oh, and kayle? Same thing. She sucks late game, she's to squishy early game, her mid-game is amazing devourer or no devourer. They're both duelists, you don't 1 v 1 them, and I rarely lose in a 2 v 2 even with them provided I account for the damage they do. If they're fed I aviod them and avoid feeding them more, until we can team up on them.

A Yi or Kayle behind is nothing. Either ahead, god-mode. they have their strengths and weaknesses, obviously you know neither of them.

TL;DR ?

Yi and Kayle are balanced, ditto to devourer. Devourer might make them more OP PROVIDED they get stacks real early, which implies lots and lots of farming because until then it's a 100% useless item that does shit. Tip? counter-jungle -> puts htem behind on stacks -> less niche of OP time between full stacks and late game.

Seriously, next up you'll be blaming cinderhulk because it's so OP on nunu or something.

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