So... what is the exact point to Tenacity if it can't save you from CC locks?

darkdill·Nov 28, 2017·3 votes·630 views

I know it's not supposed to work against dogpiling, but come on, shouldn't it have SOME effect instead of what always feels like NO effect??

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SkjöldolfrNov 28, 20172 votes

gotta remember that tenacity boots reduces the DURATION of all crowd control effects by 30% (except for Suppression, Stasis, and Airborne Displacements). Getting hit with multiple CC it's still gonna chain. You should look for some youtube videos on it, or better yet, use the practice tool, and use a bot that uses CC, and compare WITH and WITHOUT tenacity. Especially with new runes you can effectively reduce the time certain CC lasts by a LOT. Chains are chains, But tenacity is very useful, though, most people view it as buying merc treads for the MR and "oh look I get a bonus for Tenacity that I don't know what it does or how it works."

CynosisNov 28, 20172 votes

I'm not saying that tenacity isnt a useful stat, What I am saying is this, It no longer has a place in the game when all tanks get shredded by the sheer burst of ADC's. Theres no real way to punish a snowball ADC anymore, tenacity is useless now, you either dont get got, or you die.

CynosisNov 28, 20171 votes

No. theres a mathmatical equation to it all. 35% of 2 seconds is still uhhh alot of damage. Fuck tenacity, just get lethality theres no point in it anymore.

darkdillNov 28, 20171 votes

Lethality as a tank?

CynosisNov 28, 20171 votes

Its a joke, theres no point to lethality as a tank, just like getting caught out will get you shredded regardless of archetype.

Mysticman89Nov 28, 20171 votes

If people are optimally layering their cc after accounting for your tenacity correctly, I would say they're extremely good players, and unusually organised. (In which case, you should probably expect to die an awful lot regardless of the tuning of tenacity.)

I would say most people sub diamond are probably just chucking their cc without any careful thought, in which case you getting hit by 5 forms of cc isn't much worse than getting hit by 1 (and the tenacity will lower it appropriately), or if people are at least trying to layer it, with a bunch of tenacity you'll probably have a window to flash away or similar as people overestimate their cc duration.

CC in general feels like forever when you're playing against it (also enemy invuln abilities like trynd and kayle ults) and so the tenacity feels useless, but when you're on the other side tenacity spoils a lot of combos so it's probably a negativity bias thing where you remember all the times tenacity failed to save you and neglect the ones where it actually did save you.

darkdillNov 28, 20171 votes

That negativity bias is exactly why it's a bad stat. It's far too difficult to appreciate.

Mysticman89Nov 28, 20171 votes

Similar applies to Armour and MR (and probably anything that isn't raw damage) at many tunings, but I wouldn't say they're bad stats.

CynosisNov 28, 20171 votes

I wouldn't say that its a bad stat not at all, considering the burst of this pre-season... its legitimately useless. Prove me wrong. Please.