howcome i never see kled... or gnar... or like 3/4s of the champ roster in general

Hammermancer··33 votes·2,749 views

Seriously, it's always pickings of 15-20meta champs (Ok mayyybe 30), and the same old 1 tricks (Yas/riven/etc)

then like... 100 or so more champs just collect dust, some are just waiting for their meta, but most are just... outshined

weak, unsynergistic with the items.

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LyingOnLine39 votes

"How come I never see Kled?"

Because you're lucky.

Ark Sorcerer8 votes

Really lucky at that.

Melledoneus2 votes

Or, like in my case, Bronze.

kile1471 votes

Honestly you hear him coming first, he never freaking shuts up.

Choten12 votes

It's because everyone wants to be like their favorite pros and the general mindset. I had a game where mid wanted to play Heimerdinger and the Jungler was like "Can you not... play heimer, the worst ap mid in the game?" I've had games where I pick Aatrox Top lane and see someone say "Aatrox....? he's not good gg we lose"

People are shamed out of playing anything different in Ranked because of the belief that "those other champs are for normals" or "Don't play this champ in low elo" Especially when some people consider anything under high Diamond to be low elo. That's like 90% of the playerbase.

koshkyra2 votes

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It's because everyone wants to be like their favorite pros and the general mindset. I had a game where mid wanted to play Heimerdinger and the Jungler was like "Can you not... play heimer, the worst ap mid in the game?" I've had games where I pick Aatrox Top lane and see someone say "Aatrox....? he's not good gg we lose"

People are shamed out of playing anything different in Ranked because of the belief that "those other champs are for normals" or "Don't play this champ in low elo" Especially when some people consider anything under high Diamond to be low elo. That's like 90% of the playerbase.

Funny how i had an aatrox 1v5 my team AND WIN a few days ago and ppl have said hes not good.

DaNinad9 votes

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Funny how i had an aatrox 1v5 my team AND WIN a few days ago and ppl have said hes not good.

Aatrox isn't good, your team was bad

Mig893 votes

Yeah, anyone can 1v5 if theyre far enough ahead.

koshkyra2 votes

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Yeah, anyone can 1v5 if theyre far enough ahead.

Not really?

Mig891 votes

My statement is absolutely true

koshkyra2 votes

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My statement is absolutely true

Maybe outplaying champs like yas, but not burst mages like veigar who kill one person then runs.

Oelyk1 votes

Far ahead ENOUGH. Basically enough means end all, be all so even full ad lvl 18 braum can 1v5 5 level ones, not totally realistic, but you get the point.

TimX24968B1 votes

just give him a ton of attack speed and some lifesteal. EZPZ.

Mig891 votes

Braum top OP kappa. Seriously though i was talking extremes. Veigar absolutely could one shot if he is fed enough with only his Q. Yes its an extreme example but its true none the less. A full tank nunu with Titanic would 1v5. It all depends on how boosted the enemy team is lol

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Aatrox is good atm... even if it dosnt excuse the 1v5 (yeah his team was bad). But Aatrox isnt weak like a few patch ago, WAKE UP.

Joxcab2 votes

Stop whining please. You think anyone's broken the moment they beat you even once regardless of other context.

Worst Kench NA4 votes

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It's because everyone wants to be like their favorite pros and the general mindset. I had a game where mid wanted to play Heimerdinger and the Jungler was like "Can you not... play heimer, the worst ap mid in the game?" I've had games where I pick Aatrox Top lane and see someone say "Aatrox....? he's not good gg we lose"

People are shamed out of playing anything different in Ranked because of the belief that "those other champs are for normals" or "Don't play this champ in low elo" Especially when some people consider anything under high Diamond to be low elo. That's like 90% of the playerbase.

I hate it when people pick offmeta or unpopular picks. Usually it means that they know what they're doing and will stomp us. One of the worst beatings I ever got as a support was against a J4 support.

Targon6 votes

I don't think I've seen a RekSai in any of my games this year.

Who is Taliyah1 votes

Where is Poppy I have seen more Fiddlesticks than poppy this season.

warpenguin5555 votes

I just realized I haven't seen a Volibear in over a year...

OMGSoAnnoying1 votes

Heh, I've been spamming him lately. He gets so underestimated. 1500 damage bear bites are fun.

Mira Arya Enthe4 votes

Kled weak... HAHAHAHAHAHA!

As for the rest of this topic that would be like asking "Why do we have so many Soldiers and Scouts but no Pyros or Medics?" Because people play what they find fun. No matter how strong he is fewer people will enjoy Nunu over Ahri.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

I'd kill for Solders and Scouts.

Half my teams were usually composed of goddamn Snipers.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

I couldn't shame my kind after all https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dwmSeFqxnrE/hqdefault.jpg

NineTailedMystic2 votes

The funny thing is, is I find playing healers the best. I pretty much only play Mercy when I play Overwatch with a side of Mcree. Coincidentally, I played Medic and Spy in TF2. There's two problems with this in League. I hate Soraka and Ahri is the best.

FalconPawwwwnch4 votes

Kled is sleeper OP rn and most decent players know this already

He's been pretty strong for awhile now tbh

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Thanks God, let him sleep.

Funkin Dunkin4 votes

Gnar is my #1 used ranked champion at 50 games and 54% win. He makes me happy.

Who is Taliyah3 votes

Same with Taliyah for me. Althought I have almost 300 games on her [zombie-brand-clap]

undesirable team1 votes

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Same with Taliyah for me. Althought I have almost 300 games on her [zombie-brand-clap]

https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=taliyahtomaster nice eu build

Who is Taliyah4 votes

Frozen heart is god tier

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Well when your Q has no CD anyways, who cares if you lose a bit of damage for 90 Armor 20% CDR while still doing DPS :^).

Who is Taliyah1 votes

The armor and cdr are really good, but I also love the mana and the passive it has.

Since my Taliyah build with frozen heart is item 3102 item 3111 item 3151 item 3110 item 3157 item 3116 I'm really short on mana, so frozen heart comes in handy. The passive is especially good against on hit champions and we all know they are really popular right now.

Funkin Dunkin2 votes

I only said ranked. I've 100k+ points on him

Who is Taliyah3 votes

it's always good when someone has at least one champion that makes him/her happy.

I love Taliyah for reasons and I think so do you with gnar. That's good [slayer-jinx-wink]

Only Play Darius3 votes

Well thank god Gnar is gone

Stusauce2 votes

If you don't see a Kled it's because your elo isn't high enough to see a Kled. He's currently seeing play professionally, so he's played fairly frequently in solo queue. Of course, 7.9 might change that, but we'll see.

Neidox2 votes

What? I often see Kled.

Laxfan522 votes

I see kled a fair amount, but i dont see gnar that much. I think its because of their really unique play style (Kled with skarl and Gnar with mega Gnar)

edit: I put skarner instead of skarl

Luxana Crowngard1 votes

Got any Examples?

koshkyra3 votes

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Got any Examples?

Ive seen Karthusmaybe like 1-2 times since 2016. (Excludng ARAM where you have no choice.)

Thefrostyviking1 votes

He´s been gaining popularity though? Especially since some like Tobias fate streamed playing him.

And a lot in Korea if i recall, he was played a lot there for a while and then gained a steady playerbase if i am not completely wrong.

We're just slow and stagnant everywhere else generally.

undesirable team2 votes

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He´s been gaining popularity though? Especially since some like Tobias fate streamed playing him.

And a lot in Korea if i recall, he was played a lot there for a while and then gained a steady playerbase if i am not completely wrong.

We're just slow and stagnant everywhere else generally.

especially the top scripting Karthus that seems to dominate the top lane every few patches

Thefrostyviking1 votes

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especially the top scripting Karthus that seems to dominate the top lane every few patches

Scripters appear everywhere at some point, i´ve seen Lee sin, Azir and even an ezreal one not even long ago.

Well....the azir one might actually be quite a while ago but it's highly unusual to be able to walk out and dodge zac leap followed by ulti while also dodging a ziggs dropping bombs at the same time. That was a memorable event.

As for the rarity of a champion having "support" from scrips....

If anything i think KogMaw are more common even outside Korea?

Not to mention the Victor, syndra and the ever famous Xerath scripts. x)

Hammermancer2 votes

Aatrox Annie AurelionSol Azir Brand Camille Cassiopeia Chogath Corki Diana DrMundo Draven Elise Evelynn Fiddlesticks Fizz Galio Gangplank Garen GnarHecarim Illaoi

im not going to continue this list I'm just trying to illustrate a point here edit (It submitted for some reason >.<)

I'm trying to illustrate a point that there are a lot of viable good picks in that small sample alone, and most of them are just ignored

now i'm just going to throw this out there, we fixate as a community on a smallish list of champions. but each meta shift tends to have issues, and by that i mean we usually just see the top four or five broken champs, then we see the champions that are equipped to handle those champs fairly easily, and then we see the always strongish generalist champs,

Runesnag2 votes

That list is a bit off. I see Galio and Draven way too much. And Fizz is in permaban state right now in 90% of my games. I agree on some of them but that's because they just aren't really good right now. Anytime you have a game with 100+ champs it will be rare to see the ones that aren't considered OP at the time.

nGio1 votes

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Aatrox Annie AurelionSol Azir Brand Camille Cassiopeia Chogath Corki Diana DrMundo Draven Elise Evelynn Fiddlesticks Fizz Galio Gangplank Garen GnarHecarim Illaoi

im not going to continue this list I'm just trying to illustrate a point here edit (It submitted for some reason >.<)

I'm trying to illustrate a point that there are a lot of viable good picks in that small sample alone, and most of them are just ignored

now i'm just going to throw this out there, we fixate as a community on a smallish list of champions. but each meta shift tends to have issues, and by that i mean we usually just see the top four or five broken champs, then we see the champions that are equipped to handle those champs fairly easily, and then we see the always strongish generalist champs,

Is Fizz on your list of "ignored" because of his 49% ban rate? I wouldn't lump him in with Mundo, Eve, or Azir, considering he is op as shit right now, and picked or banned in almost every game I play.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

They aren't really outshined, people don't want to appreciate what all those other champions do and so come up with a vague excuse to create a meta without much thought and just keep on doing that until pro players randomly decide that something else is good now.

Stusauce2 votes

Pros and other high level players don't "randomly decide" something else is good. They respond to changes patch to patch, play thousands of games to test what works well and what doesn't, and adapt team strategies accordingly. They don't just get tired of playing OP champs, they seek out the next OP champ based off of changes made to the game.

That said, I'm talking about players who, if they played an off-meta champ, would almost always lose, because they're competing against other players who would stomp them with stronger (meta) champs. At most elo levels, there's more leeway and players can be good/effective with any champ; or at least a large variety of champs. But you're right, a lot of people are meta slaves/only do what the pros say/do.

On a pro/high elo level - Yes there are champs that are just outshined by others

At lower-mid elo - Meta champions' power levels can be overcome more easily (because people playing those champs are probably only playing them because they saw Bjergsen playing them)

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