Sett is ridiculous

Garbage Bag·Jan 21, 2020·2 votes·1,148 views

Alright. Here we have a champion who gains HP regen as he loses HP, Q enables % MAX HP dmg (he's an anti-tank), W is a shield/true damage AOE burst ability, (like wtf even is that), E is minor CC to enable the rest of his kit, R is a 'dash' AOE ability that slows, enabling the rest of his kit. Oh and he's also manaless, oh and his grit is based off your max HP, meaning the more HP you have, the more Grit, the more damage AND more HP regen from passive. Oh and you gain Grit by taking dmg, so if you opponents dont attack you they've countered your Grit mechanic (but you'll never die so it's inevitable you'll get Grit, essentially it's free, and you get bonus HP back from passive anyway so harming Sett literally only benefits him)

Overall we have a champion the excels (dominates) melee match ups, can tank range match ups, can trade with range with W spam, out trade tanks with % HP dmg, while having a decent early game and also scaling really well into the late game.

Whats the counter play here? I cant poke him down due to HP regen and he can spam his W all day with no punishment (other than a long CD), I cant fight him in melee cause he's arguably the strongest melee, he counters any all in with a single W (defensively and offensively), and if you fail to properly kite ONCE you are severely punished. If you count his W as a skillshot (which even if you do keep in mind it's as wide as an Azir wall) he has a total of 1 skillshot. The rest of his kit just 'works together'. I haven't played him, but after just reading his kit it's obvious the best combo is E (for CC), quickly followed with Q (for BETTER autos), saving W for more Grit, and using W upon having the most amount of Grit you can muster. Oh and just ult if you have it, if you're in a teamfight just ult into their team, build Grit and W, you'll tank and 1 shot them all.

What's his weakness then? CDR. CDR alone is what 'balances' this champion. So unless you're a brainless ape who tries to trade with CDs up, that factor is entirely removed.

It just really bothers me how strong champions can be with such a low skill floor/ceiling. Champions with minimal mechanics and obvious strengths should have inherently obvious weaknesses. Champions with lots of mechanics are difficult to master, while also having weakness the opponent needs to master.

Compare how obvious it is to counter Mundo vs Sett. I'd argue mechanically they're on par, but for Mundo it's much more clear what needs to be done to counter him. Modern day Riot is too fixated on releasing champs with clearly overloaded kits (Senna) and it's ruining the game. Fix what's wrong with the games, not these nutty champs you release.

9 Comments

XavanicJan 21, 20203 votes

Volibear wins every trade level 3 onwards, as long as sett doesnt get fed off your team he is made useless

Garbage BagJan 21, 20201 votes

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wins every trade level 3 onwards, as long as sett doesnt get fed off your team he is made useless

You can put Volis passive on CD and Volis only ranged ability is his R (lightning travel distance). You can legitimately kite Voli and his W is based off missing HP, not Max. Sure you can kite Sett but his W range/power makes it far more difficult. Setts shield can absorb more damage than Voli passive and Grevious Wounds counters Voli passive, not Sett shield, and his shield is on a much lower CD. Setts shield is only part of Setts W function and it in itself is stronger than Volis entire passive.

XavanicJan 21, 20201 votes

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You can put Volis passive on CD and Volis only ranged ability is his R (lightning travel distance). You can legitimately kite Voli and his W is based off missing HP, not Max. Sure you can kite Sett but his W range/power makes it far more difficult. Setts shield can absorb more damage than Voli passive and Grevious Wounds counters Voli passive, not Sett shield, and his shield is on a much lower CD. Setts shield is only part of Setts W function and it in itself is stronger than Volis entire passive.

okay, but sett cant lane vs voli, sett loses every trade and tends to die vs voli lvl 3 onwards, voli is a much stronger duelist then sett is rn, even with your logic

LunanEclipseJan 21, 20201 votes

Sett's passive hp regeneration is increased every 5% max hp he is missing and goes up to +38 at lvl 18 at 95% missing hp. If you are a poke champ dealing the max 9.5 extra hp regeneration per second he has early should be easy. His weaknesses are very obvious you kite him with all other juggernauts with the only real movement ability being his q and his ult requires a target just slightly outside of auto range. He's good at extended trades due to his w but poking him and letting grit fall off counters his trade back potential. If he is building full damage he's squishy and if he building full hp he's bulky with all power in his w. TLDR: don't get close to him and wait for mid game or ganks where he performs badly in, if you can poke poke often and never all in until he's like 25% hp or lower and not near his tower. Yes it's unfun but it is the counterplay.

Garbage BagJan 21, 20201 votes

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Sett's passive hp regeneration is increased every 5% max hp he is missing and goes up to +38 at lvl 18 at 95% missing hp. If you are a poke champ dealing the max 9.5 extra hp regeneration per second he has early should be easy. His weaknesses are very obvious you kite him with all other juggernauts with the only real movement ability being his q and his ult requires a target just slightly outside of auto range. He's good at extended trades due to his w but poking him and letting grit fall off counters his trade back potential. If he is building full damage he's squishy and if he building full hp he's bulky with all power in his w. TLDR: don't get close to him and wait for mid game or ganks where he performs badly in, if you can poke poke often and never all in until he's like 25% hp or lower and not near his tower. Yes it's unfun but it is the counterplay.

Firstly it should be easy, but if he starts Dorans Shield it becomes much harder due to the stacking regens. Also you cant poke him and let his Grit fall, poking him increases Grit, so at best you can keep his Grit steady, but his passive means he'll be gaining HP all the while.

Unfortunately Sett doesn't build 'just AD' or 'just tanky'. Cleaver gives him both and the CDR he needs, along with Steraks, Titanic, etc. A smart Sett will just back when below 25% HP and you'll have to repeat the process again. I think its a bit undeniable he's just overtuned and needs to be nerfed.

Think of the old Aatrox and how THAT champion was apparently 'unbalancable', yet for this champion its 'well its unfun but its counterplay'. Extremely frustrating how contradicting Riots actions are.

LunanEclipseJan 21, 20201 votes

Unfun yet counter able is all juggernauts. Juggernauts are designed to be lane bullies and even when they are losing trades they have the safety to fall back and regen and heal. However they are only lane bullies to melee champs who have to approach them if you can bait them under tower by playing safe and correctly managing the wave you are fine. Juggernauts are countered by macro play more so than micro play. The other thing if he is using his w to poke then you can commit more to a trade due to him not having it for 16-8 seconds cd at lvl 9 even with cdr which at lvl 7 he should have about 10-20% its still a 9 second cd or an 8 second cd. Note you are not able to kill a juggernaut 1v1 when they are above 40% hp and on par with you in levels and items. And never chase them it always ends in their favor.

Exodus247Jan 21, 20201 votes

Sett is fine, the only thing id maybe tune down is base true dmg on w if its gonna scale like that. His regen is barely noticeable untill midgame, unlike garen or mundo, his punches are weak as shit early on, which by the way is THE BIGGEST WINDOW TO FUCK HIM UP, and his stun has a longer windup than thresh e which has the same hitbox, so unless you are right infront of him and not running away, hes gonna get you, and even then if theres nothing on the other side of him it only slows. His weakness is that hes a juggernaut. His defensive ability has a really high cd, he can be kited really easily since his only real mobility is a 1.5 second speed boost while running at an ememy 'like voli q', and heres the big one, HES A MEELE CHAMP WITH NO OTHER STERIOD OR WAY TO GET TO THE ENEMY EFFECTIVLY EXCEPT HIS ULT. You got guys like trundle with his frozen ground, maokai with the roots and cc, galio even. Hes so easily kiteable that even if he gets fed the only way you are going to lose a fight to him late if youre ganking him is if your entire team goes braindead and stands in the middle of his w.