Nerfing Akalis W is the only way to properly balance her.

Garbage Bag·Feb 14, 2020·4 votes·1,463 views

Ill accept her Q spam and passive range, I think it's pretty brain dead and free but you can play around it. What I cant accept is upon playing around said free harass, shes able to use her 'get outta jail free card' which restores her energy, while granting movement, while buying her time to recharge her energy, WHILE MAKING HER IMMUNE TO AUTOS/TARGETED SPELLS, all the while ALSO having the option to E away if that alone isnt enough WHICH ALSO ENABLES HER TO GO BACK IN ONCE HER ENERGY IS RESTORED!

Take away her W movement, she doesnt need it, reduce the duration, she already gets energy from it and it's duration allows her to hide and get more, it makes the concept of energy completely redundant as energy is meant to LIMIT spamming, yet her kit is designed to supersede that idea entirely.

I understand this champion has been nerfed into the ground already, but other than nerfing her W so shes not invincible under turrets (LOL THANK GOD THATS GONE) Riot hasn't really touched her W despite it being the core ability. Her W is the tether that allows her to utilize her abilities in a way that makes her untouchable, because it in itself relieves the components that energy dependent champs have to play around (Energy recharge/CDR).

Of the 5 energy champs in League there is only 1 that can buy time anywhere she stands for an extended duration, all 4 others must outplay while remaining vulnerable (Shen can disable autos but is still vulnerable to targeted spells and is visible).

Is it a coincidence the only energy champion who has this power is also heavily debated as one of the strongest champs period? Maybe, but the remainder of her kit isnt too bad, it's only when in conjunction with her W does her kit really go off the rails.

Maybe I'm salty, washed up, idk, but the correlation here is too strong for me to ignore.

14 Comments

chipndip1Feb 14, 20207 votes

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Maybe I'm salty, washed up, idk

Perhaps. It's the only way I can see someone wanting nerfs for a 40% win rate champion.

Garbage BagFeb 14, 20206 votes

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Perhaps. It's the only way I can see someone wanting nerfs for a 40% win rate champion.

Why is a 40% WR champ the most banned champion in pro play? That in itself suggests the pros are aware her kit can be exploited in a way to make her OP, despite the general public being unable to close out games with her. Its a strange gap and again is specific to just Akali

VoraciousXFeb 14, 20201 votes

[{quoted}](name=Garbage Bag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KNPfiAxA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2020-02-14T22:47:58.737+0000)

Why is a 40% WR champ the most banned champion in pro play? That in itself suggests the pros are aware her kit can be exploited in a way to make her OP, despite the general public being unable to close out games with her. Its a strange gap and again is specific to just Akali

Actually other champions have low win rates but overperform. It isn't something only specific to Akali. Most high skillcap champions that are played in pro play have low overall win rates because they have a high skillcap with a high skill floor. Azir and Kalista have been targeted like this in the past, there's also Ryze.

As for OP, I've noticed her W barely increases her energy. It allows her to cast like 2 Qs when she could only cast one if you only have enough energy for one Q, but that's about it. Honestly I think doing all the things they did to her is just wrong. they should have nerfed maybe her Q, because her passive is the main point of her kit. Her Q does entirely too much damage(you can see this much more clearly in URF where she can spam it). Her W was only a problem under towers because the rest of her kit does so much damage that she can burst you entirely too fast. She has enough time to burst you in her W while still having more time in her W after. That is what should be looked at because her kit allows her to take more time. If they had reduced her W time, being under towers would still be a threat to her. Her ult didn't need to be changed either. Changing one or both of those would have been fine without any other changes imo.

KazekibaFeb 14, 20201 votes

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Actually other champions have low win rates but overperform. It isn't something only specific to Akali. Most high skillcap champions that are played in pro play have low overall win rates because they have a high skillcap with a high skill floor. Azir and Kalista have been targeted like this in the past, there's also Ryze.

As for OP, I've noticed her W barely increases her energy. It allows her to cast like 2 Qs when she could only cast one if you only have enough energy for one Q, but that's about it.

Ryze, Kalista, and Galio suffer from Riot tailor making their Ults for "EPIC #LCSOUTPLAYS" instead of giving them sensible, usable ults. If Galio R impact zone did nearly double te damage it does it could be useful as an R but Galio (and Aatrox) ave no real Ultimate outside of coordinated play and Ryze's R is useless if you dont have coordination and map awareness, on top of clashing with Ryze's Machine-gun mage niche.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 14, 20203 votes

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Ryze, Kalista, and Galio suffer from Riot tailor making their Ults for "EPIC #LCSOUTPLAYS" instead of giving them sensible, usable ults. If Galio R impact zone did nearly double te damage it does it could be useful as an R but Galio (and Aatrox) ave no real Ultimate outside of coordinated play and Ryze's R is useless if you dont have coordination and map awareness, on top of clashing with Ryze's Machine-gun mage niche.

How dare riot give champions ults that require teamplay in a TEAM ORIENTED game!

KazekibaFeb 14, 20201 votes

[{quoted}](name=Garbage Bag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KNPfiAxA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2020-02-14T22:47:58.737+0000)

Why is a 40% WR champ the most banned champion in pro play? That in itself suggests the pros are aware her kit can be exploited in a way to make her OP, despite the general public being unable to close out games with her. Its a strange gap and again is specific to just Akali

Majority of pros want Akali and Lee Sin removed from the game or nerfed. She does not need an Energy restore on W at all, and it makes no sense. Zed doesnt get energy back for sending outh his clones, or even for swapping with one. Lee doesnt get energy restored for Safeguard, Shen doesnt gain energy for using his zone. Old akali didnt gain energy for shrouding.

Nerf the damage and put healing back on Passive (50% bonus AD+35% AP damage, 12-50+10%(+3% per 100 AP) total AD healing, Triggering passive restores 30 energy. Q Energy cost down to 80/70/60/50/40 W Energy gain removed and changed to 50/45/40/35/30 Energy cost. Or, if it works better, 40/30/20/10/0 Energy cost.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 14, 20202 votes

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Majority of pros want Akali and Lee Sin removed from the game or nerfed. She does not need an Energy restore on W at all, and it makes no sense. Zed doesnt get energy back for sending outh his clones, or even for swapping with one. Lee doesnt get energy restored for Safeguard, Shen doesnt gain energy for using his zone. Old akali didnt gain energy for shrouding.

Nerf the damage and put healing back on Passive (50% bonus AD+35% AP damage, 12-50+10%(+3% per 100 AP) total AD healing, Triggering passive restores 30 energy. Q Energy cost down to 80/70/60/50/40 W Energy gain removed and changed to 50/45/40/35/30 Energy cost. Or, if it works better, 40/30/20/10/0 Energy cost.

"Majority of pros want akali and lee removed" please send me where pros have actually said that. Also love how you say "remove the energy gain" then completely go to make it so that she is able to use even more abilities than she currently can by lowering her energy costs by that much.

So now here is my question to you. Why is her energy gain bad? Is it because it allows her to spam? Or is it something else? If it's the spam answer why do you think lowering her costs by such a stupid amount is going do anything other than make the problem you have be even worse?

VoraciousXFeb 14, 20201 votes

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"Majority of pros want akali and lee removed" please send me where pros have actually said that. Also love how you say "remove the energy gain" then completely go to make it so that she is able to use even more abilities than she currently can by lowering her energy costs by that much.

So now here is my question to you. Why is her energy gain bad? Is it because it allows her to spam? Or is it something else? If it's the spam answer why do you think lowering her costs by such a stupid amount is going do anything other than make the problem you have be even worse?

A lot of Akali mains actually want her reverted, but honestly she was far more cancer in her pre-rework state than she ever was when she was reworked. People just didn't play her because she was so pubstompy after getting a gunblade they just didn't WANT to play her. You couldn't outrun her even under tower(she could kill you under tower better than she could when she had the W shroud under towers making her unable to take tower hits), you couldn't even be NEAR her once she got 6+Gunblade if you were a squishy. She had a very standard playstyle in that you knew what she was gonna do, but you couldn't stop her from doing it. New Akali has more counterplay than old Akali ever did, aside from pink wards, but you had to give up an entire item slot late game for those. The only issue is she moves so quickly and doesn't have a standard gameplay pattern that it's hard to lock her down now, but old Akali just killed you outright regardless unless you had two people on her at all times or you were so far ahead of her that you could one shot anyone anyways.

Summoner SpeIIFeb 14, 20201 votes

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Why is a 40% WR champ the most banned champion in pro play? That in itself suggests the pros are aware her kit can be exploited in a way to make her OP, despite the general public being unable to close out games with her. Its a strange gap and again is specific to just Akali

pro play is 2 weeks behind lol, she won't be played soon

chipndip1Feb 15, 20202 votes

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Why is a 40% WR champ the most banned champion in pro play?

Who gives a FLYING fuck about her pro play win rate in solo queue? If pro play's your criteria for solo queue prowess, then why aren't you guys bitching about Ryze?

IP MasquerenaFeb 15, 20201 votes

Pro play is only a criteria when they want something nerfed.

If they ask for a buff, that suddenly changes to "fuck pro play, the low elo is what matters".

DezzwFeb 15, 20201 votes

[{quoted}](name=Garbage Bag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KNPfiAxA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2020-02-14T22:47:58.737+0000)

Why is a 40% WR champ the most banned champion in pro play? That in itself suggests the pros are aware her kit can be exploited in a way to make her OP, despite the general public being unable to close out games with her. Its a strange gap and again is specific to just Akali

She's nearly 0% pro presence in 10.3.

KrypticBeingFeb 14, 20202 votes

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Perhaps. It's the only way I can see someone wanting nerfs for a 40% win rate champion.

Winrate doesnt mean shit. The champ didnt need her q nerfed once again. She just needs her passive to be nerfed so she doesnt autowin melee matchups.

XavanicFeb 15, 20201 votes

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Perhaps. It's the only way I can see someone wanting nerfs for a 40% win rate champion.

champs busted guy, she does need more nerfs....this is what happens when you make a champ exclusively to make flashy plays, their banned in competitive and too hard to play in normals