I expect to see a lot of people just saying Renekton.
I expect to see a lot of downvotes since he's the most popular top laner yet somehow the most banned as well.
Madsin2521 votes
NemeBro4 votesGaren gets buttplugged by Darius and even Tryndamere has trouble against him early. He will easily outscale and dominate him in the splitpush though
TempName548461 votesif you think garen and trynda lose to darius you aren't very good at either of them.
NemeBro3 votesif you think garen and trynda lose to darius you aren't very good at either of them.
Level 13 lul!
Zeyphel3 votes[deleted]
NemeBro1 votesIf you see a lvl 13 stating true things you probably figure out that It is a smurf or wasn't your brain enough competent to think about It. Like you see that your argument is not valid and instead of accepting what other people tell you, you complain about their lvl. Truly Dissapointing.
Nice 38% win rate in silver 5 lad.
And why would I accept what other people tell me if it isn't substantiated with anything? All he said is I must not be good at the champions. No other qualifying statement.
And don't insult people's intelligence when you can only barely speak the language being spoken here bucko.
Disappointing has one "s" and two "p's" for example.
Stay mad my friend.
Zeyphel1 votes[deleted]
NemeBro1 votesequis de
You see I am only lvl 48, right? Seems like you don't learn. Deduce, use your brain. (Idk if you take things like these asan offense, I don't so I don't mind.
Well as you notice before (you tried to correct my english which I don't really mind because Its not my first language) I don't mainly play in NA, that is just one more of my smurfs accounts where I try different or new champions build in rankeds 'cause I don't mind my WR if it is not my main account. I use my smurfs as a way of trying new builds and strategies for learning not to climb or get an high WR lol.
I have enough with having to play serious in my main account to climb, so I am not allowed to have fun in my smurfs accounts? That's new.
A lot of useless words that don't do anything to explain why I should have paid any heed to the little boy who responded to me. I accept your concession bud.
Salson1 votesBoth lose to Darius when all 3 are balanced. Garen and Tryn have overtuned numbers now, it's a different story.
TempName548461 votesgaren is strong right now but not really due to overtuned numbers, more of due to the fact the meta is bursty and 60% damage reduction is pretty good against burst and he can go triforce over black cleaver since everyones building damage.
trynda overtuned? i mean his an annoying little shit but his not overtuned at all right now lmao
MorganFreemanBot1 votesGaren gets buttplugged by Darius and even Tryndamere has trouble against him early. He will easily outscale and dominate him in the splitpush though
Not quite.
Garen loses to Darius until the level 6-9 range, depending. The key is that Garen past that point will lose trades, but win the war. Trade > escape > regen > trade >escape > regen. The fact that Garen's R doesn't have a stack requirement means that after two 'lost' trades, Garen can just go in for an easy kill. He'll be behind on CS early on, but catch up pretty quickly so long as he doesn't feed hard.
Trynd is similar. He gets unbeatable for Darius, and split pushes WAY harder than he does.
Mews992 votesHow does beat Darius?
Thefrostyviking2 votesHe doesnt really, not against a good one.
The thing is that to win that fight jax needs to have the chance to fight Darius while blocking autos with his E but Darius can deny that, his pull will cause a great deal of time to be wasted of Jax´s E.
His slow makes it impossible for jax to really stay on him without the Q and in a straight fight Darius wins that early because Jax is weaker earlier on.
Jax´s win conditions are too simple and easily outplayable for Darius who has the needed tools.
Its only when Jax´s Q CD goes down to being low enough that he can just near spamjump on Darius and deny outer Q´s/healing/damage from Darius while doing damage that he starts winning.
But that needs both lvls and cdr.
MrFawknSunshine8 votesrenekton is a skill match up.
darius is good vs nearly all melees, the key vs darius is not to fight in extended fights, and to stack hp over armor, with his passive plus armor % passive on E and ult stacking armor early dont help. but HP does.
darius is a high damage dealing juggernaut. if he gets to you he will hurt you.
quinn,kennen, teemo all good vs him but that is with nearly all juggernauts, ranged/kiting beats them
feintfiend3 votesrenekton is a skill match up.
darius is good vs nearly all melees, the key vs darius is not to fight in extended fights, and to stack hp over armor, with his passive plus armor % passive on E and ult stacking armor early dont help. but HP does.
darius is a high damage dealing juggernaut. if he gets to you he will hurt you.
quinn,kennen, teemo all good vs him but that is with nearly all juggernauts, ranged/kiting beats them
"darius is good vs nearly all melees" This is the issue, he invalidates them and forces them to cs under turret
MrFawknSunshine9 voteshe is a lane bully that is his identity , he is bad in mid/late game unless fed or you get out of position
he has no gap closer, no mobility he is slow and kite-able
every champ has a strong/weak point of games learning this and playing around this is part of the game.
feintfiend3 voteshe is a lane bully that is his identity , he is bad in mid/late game unless fed or you get out of position
he has no gap closer, no mobility he is slow and kite-able
every champ has a strong/weak point of games learning this and playing around this is part of the game.
"Darius is bad mid to late game" Lmao tell that to his high resistances, 4k+ health, 230 AD steroid from fully stacked bleed and true damage R reset on kills
MrFawknSunshine3 votesdude either learn the game or dont. seems instead of getting better and learning you wanna bitch and cry cuz its hard.
i beat darius alot in lane as maokai .... who darius should never lose a lane too.
he never gets 4k in health unless he builds pure tank then he does no damage.
feintfiend3 votesdude either learn the game or dont. seems instead of getting better and learning you wanna bitch and cry cuz its hard.
i beat darius alot in lane as maokai .... who darius should never lose a lane too.
he never gets 4k in health unless he builds pure tank then he does no damage.
"He never gets 4k health" BC, SV, Deadmans, Steraks, Frozen Mallet won't get him to 4k+ health? Are you crazy lmao
MrFawknSunshine3 votesTHATS NOT HIS MOST COMMON BUILT ITEMS
most darius build 
over BC unless vs tanks
mallet is rarely never built on him ( 0.73% of games)
typical darius with triforce build will have about 3200 hp
feintfiend3 votesTHATS NOT HIS MOST COMMON BUILT ITEMS
most darius build
mallet is rarely never built on him ( 0.73% of games)
typical darius with triforce build will have about 3200 hp
I just used a site to calculate the builds health and he had 4557 health even with triforce. So yeah....lmao
MrFawknSunshine3 voteswith a frozen mallet that he never builds ?
Eedat7 votesThis isnt season 5 anymore? Darius doesnt fall off a cliff in the mid/late game anymore lol
YumaS2Astral2 votesThis isnt season 5 anymore? Darius doesnt fall off a cliff in the mid/late game anymore lol
Not to mention, games don't even reach late game to begin with
And he is not weak mid game, especially with ADCs in general being weak
Bouncemaster Zac2 voteshe is a lane bully that is his identity , he is bad in mid/late game unless fed or you get out of position
he has no gap closer, no mobility he is slow and kite-able
every champ has a strong/weak point of games learning this and playing around this is part of the game.
"He is slow" This is the blatant lie about Darius that upsets me most. Between BC, Deadman's, and the option to run Phase Rush and Ghost, Darius consistently has some of the highest movespeed in the game, and a 550 range on his hook. You can't kite him, only run away to be caught anyway.
MrFawknSunshine1 votesmost common key stone on darius is conqueror. the most common summoners are ignite and flash
you can kite and cc him.
its not like he has a 100% win rate with a 100% pick ban rate
this isnt kassawin from season3/4 or ap yi mid
Bouncemaster Zac1 votesmost common key stone on darius is conqueror. the most common summoners are ignite and flash
you can kite and cc him.
its not like he has a 100% win rate with a 100% pick ban rate
this isnt kassawin from season3/4 or ap yi mid
Yes you can cc him. I didn't say you couldn't. No he's not unbeatable, I didn't say he was.
You can't, however, kite him. Kiting means stopping between running to throw damage backwards. Fighting and running away at the same time. But a Darius with his core items has 100 more ms than you. You can't kite, only cc and run. I was contesting the lie that "Darius is slow." He isn't.
BestPudgeNA1 voteshe is a lane bully that is his identity , he is bad in mid/late game unless fed or you get out of position
he has no gap closer, no mobility he is slow and kite-able
every champ has a strong/weak point of games learning this and playing around this is part of the game.
Meanwhile in pro play he is getting triples and quads left and right. Not saying Darius is unbeatable but he is definitely too OP in his current form.
SugeMinPikk5 votesYorick, Quinn, Teemo, and Fiora have high pick rates and win rates vs him
feintfiend3 votesYorick, Quinn, Teemo, and Fiora have high pick rates and win rates vs him
I said melee. I don't understand why people say Yorick, Yorick has no mobility so Darius should have a field day slowing Yorick twice and stunning him. Fiora needs to be MUCH better than the Darius and parry W and have some luck with vital spawns.
Madsin2519 votesDarius's lowest winrate is vs yorick.
MrFawknSunshine8 voteslove how you try to tell someone something that has stats to prove it and they wanna argue against it, maybe thats why he dont know how to lane/beat darius
feintfiend1 votesDarius's lowest winrate is vs yorick.
Well Yorick has a low pickrate in general so that stat might not be accurate unless you have personal experience in the matchup
BeatzBoyFTW12 votesMost of Yorick's skills & damage involves having the ghouls being spat directly at Darius's face where he would be busy killing them off instead of Yorick himself. Now combined with Yorick's Maiden, Darius would definitely be having a hard time moving around his position to land his outer Q, especially when adding the part where he would be hindered by his walls too. I'm speaking this from an experience as a M7 Darius, where I actually had a hard time laning against a good Yorick.
Yorick's unpopular simply because no one likes:
feintfiend1 votesMost of Yorick's skills & damage involves having the ghouls being spat directly at Darius's face where he would be busy killing them off instead of Yorick himself. Now combined with Yorick's Maiden, Darius would definitely be having a hard time moving around his position to land his outer Q, especially when adding the part where he would be hindered by his walls too. I'm speaking this from an experience as a M7 Darius, where I actually had a hard time laning against a good Yorick.
Yorick's unpopular simply because no one likes:
- a champion who has no teamfight capability & a plain split-pusher.
- a champion who doesn't have flashy moves like Yasuo or Zed.
- a champion where, if proplays doesn't play him, then Yorick shouldn't be played.
As a M7 Darius do you think he autowins against melee champions at least until pre6 and still beats most post lvl 6?
BeatzBoyFTW9 votesAs a M7 Darius do you think he autowins against melee champions at least until pre6 and still beats most post lvl 6?
I won't say all. He definitely destroys most static & bland top laners like 
since he's able to outdamage all & being able to sustain well by easily hitting his outer Q, except for some exceptions below:
Darius is highly vulnerable to "hit-&-run" burst pokes, where enemies would jump in for some quick burst & has the capability to swiftly get out of the fight. His one point of being dominating top lane is if he were to engage in long fights where his 5 bleeds would stack up to give him that advantage, and that strat puts him off.
Good examples would be 
, as this is highly a skill-match up. All of them
has the capability to poke-burst him off & runs back, or having the stickiness to cling onto Darius in order to avoid getting hit by his outer Q.
Other examples like is an ideal pick against him since Aatrox can just fully utilize his ranged Q for some good pokes. Even if he were to get pulled, he can simply W to slow him down & runs back with his E and adds a bit of his Q to the mix.
is also close to being called a "skill-match up". The best advice for a Darius player is just dodge her E. But if you were to get caught by one, you'd either choose to just force yourself to go in for the trade while being smashed by Illaoi's mixed QW damage & minion aggro, or choose to run out of range & gets hit by the annoyance of constant spawning tentacles. Do know that most Illaoi players maxes E first, so getting one or two hits on your teared Soul can seriously hurts.
feintfiend3 votesI won't say all. He definitely destroys most static & bland top laners like
Darius is highly vulnerable to "hit-&-run" burst pokes, where enemies would jump in for some quick burst & has the capability to swiftly get out of the fight. His one point of being dominating top lane is if he were to engage in long fights where his 5 bleeds would stack up to give him that advantage, and that strat puts him off.
Good examples would be
Other examples like
needs to be WAAAAAAAY higher skill than the Darius since he can just cancel her dashing away with an e pull. I'm talking like bronze vs Gold difference
If Darius forces Riven to blow even 1 Q before getting to him Riven won't have the mobility to escape when he slows her twice and stuns her. At least until she builds CDR but it should still be easy as she's very squishy with low regen.
needs to somehow parrry W be much higher skill and have good RNG on passive
gets outright bullied in lane? I though Darius was a counterpick since Camille is a weak laner
's e is on a VERY long cooldown, also Darius can just fight her through the minion wave its not like any of his abilities can be creepblocked
BeatzBoyFTW4 votes
can simply E-W-AA-Q away for those short burst. Normally Darius wouldn't have the time & moment to be able to pull her in time.
can be really sticky with her Q & the movement speed it grants, especially when considering the part that her Q can damage at quite a far range. Pre-6, she just needs to focus her parry on your W. Post-6, your ult, and that's worse.
Depends. I do get an average games where Camille manages to out-bully me, since most of her damages involves sticking to my face to deal damage with her Q & has the mobility to get out of fights. Secondly, her passive shields can deny some damage when she comes in for the poke.
Not saying that she's an actual big deal, but that it can probably take 1 E to make her being such a nuisance to Darius. Also, poking Illaoi means you're unintentionally pushing the waves to her, which is actually really bad.
feintfiend1 votes
I've played Riven vs Darius and they just spam pull while stunned so that it happens immediately when he is unstunned and he could kill the Riven in one rotation if she fommits for some reason. Even if she runs she-'ll ve bear dead, like 20% health
I don't understand how can bully a 
if you're able to bait out her shield and disengage its on a high cooldown so she won't have a passive for a while. Even with the shield up you should still win the trade. If she E's to a wall near you can't you just e her out of it?
Also I may be wrong but can you pull Camille mid dash to cancel it if you can she should be screwed.
expects you to w after your friest auto so just start off with W and her parrying e won't mean much not like she'll even come close to outdamaging you
Automated Riven3 votesRiven has to be very good to beat Darius. I prefer using q to gapclose rather then e. Because you dodge his q with your q and then aa q aa ewq out. Making sure to use w at the very beginning of your e so you stun him during the e animation. And you are far out of range when he tries to w you.
SugeMinPikk5 votesDarius is Yorick's highest-frequency matchup, double the next highest matchup. If that doesn't mean he's a counterpick specifically for Darius, I don't know what is.
feintfiend1 votesDarius is Yorick's highest-frequency matchup, double the next highest matchup. If that doesn't mean he's a counterpick specifically for Darius, I don't know what is.
Darius is the most picked toplaner so of course he'll be a high frequency matchup especially against unpopular champions
SugeMinPikk9 votesOkay, this dude refuses to take statistics seriously, so this thread is a lost cause. Bet he's a climate change denier. /thread
feintfiend1 votesOkay, this dude refuses to take statistics seriously, so this thread is a lost cause. Bet he's a climate change denier. /thread
Actually you ignored my statistics thst Darius the most popular top laner by far which would skew your point, especially against low pickrate champions like yorick. I recognize that Darius is his most commmon matchup and aexplained why it isn't due to counterpicking for the most part
redniwediS5 votesRead it again mate, he didn't ignore your numbers at all. What he did was point to more applicable numbers that invalidate what you're saying.
Yorick has a low pick rate overall. Darius has a high pick rate overall. The champion that is picked most often against Darius is Yorick.
All three of these statements are true, and all support the idea that Yorick is the current best counterpick to Darius. Yorick isn't seeing significant levels of play against anyone else, he is almost purely being used as a counterpick to Darius.
DrCyanide8 votesYorick has sustain on his Q and a bit of ranged harass with his minions. His ult also makes it a 2v1, while his cage can allow him to reposition away from Darius.
Yorick can't just run straight at Darius, but he does have the tools to manage him.
feintfiend1 votesYorick has sustain on his Q and a bit of ranged harass with his minions. His ult also makes it a 2v1, while his cage can allow him to reposition away from Darius.
Yorick can't just run straight at Darius, but he does have the tools to manage him.
"Yorick has sustain on his Q" This is how I know you don't play Yorick. The sustain is nonfactor until lvl 6 and even than until you get spirit visage the sustain from Q isn't that good. Unless you give up an insane amount of cs and exp you will die to Darius 100% and even if you don't die you'll be too behind in gold/exp to fight him
DrCyanide8 votesThe sustain still helps counter the bleed. It heals you more than 1 stack of bleed damages you from level 2 onward. You're not losing the HP that other champions lose against Darius, and you have the disengage cage.
feintfiend1 votesThe sustain still helps counter the bleed. It heals you more than 1 stack of bleed damages you from level 2 onward. You're not losing the HP that other champions lose against Darius, and you have the disengage cage.
Yoricks sustain is ridiculously low early game, I'm talking like below 20 health sustain. That doesn't take off nearly enough to counter bleed
DrCyanide7 votesCheck the stats, it does.