As a Zed main, I think we should nerf Zed

walgaubanana·Aug 15, 2015·67 votes·11,397 views

I mean wow, all he does his spam his OP WQ and after a while, he presses R, kills me then tps back to safety WOW SO BS I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M ABUSING HIM RIGHT NOW.

Like, the last nerf did nothing to him. Now, all he can do to counter that 1 second without teleporting back is TO WAIT 1 SECOND, THAT'S BULLSHIT, WHY IS THIS SO EASY TO COUNTER OMG

Seriously, you should make his ultimate wait 0.5 seconds instead of 1, so he won't be able to counter the spell by waiting 1 second anymore, thus giving his opponents more room for counterplay.

Also, his W AD scaling is way too high, make it scale with Attack Speed, so he will be punished for buying AP instead of Critical Chance.

56 Comments

RiotRiotRepertoirAug 15, 201549 votes

Excellent post full of excellent feedback! Glad I now know that whenever Zed's balance is on the line, I can come to Walgaubanana, seasoned and exclusive Zed main, for the exact solution.

walgaubananaAug 15, 201514 votes

Thank you Riot, for recognizing my talents and knowledge of this game.

I also suggest that we make his E deal magic damage instead of % max health true damage, because after three autoattacks, he literally destroys my HP bar, even though I built lots of resistance against him.

Frost HellfireAug 15, 20152 votes

Dang it, I wanted to abuse Zed a little longer.

dr lichdeathAug 15, 20152 votes

im pretty sure ur online ive been waiting a day in trying to find a rioter for my 1000 normal classic win TT

Knight SoIaire Aug 15, 20151 votes

yeah but you could address the way his counterplay interacts with his powerbudget

the way it is now its frustrating for both sides since its just a race where zed wants to get ahead before enemies counter itemize him ... as said counter itemization realy destroys his kit

and well ... if you get the counteritems zed is plainly weak ... if you dont get them zed is godlike by default cause loads of power is loaded in his ult just too much revolves around items here ... which diminishes the importance of his flexible kit and outplay potential

Synx7Aug 15, 20151 votes

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Excellent post full of excellent feedback! Glad I now know that whenever Zed's balance is on the line, I can come to Walgaubanana, seasoned and exclusive Zed main, for the exact solution.

Nerf him, meanwhile Cancerina kills your entire team in seconds Zed is single target, ult reliant, not to mention if carries gets Hourglass or Qss but who am I to tell this. "Why should I build hourglass against zed, I just want 3 rabadons"

PaletongueAug 15, 20151 votes

i don't think you read the post.

AIpha MaIeAug 15, 20152 votes

Hello guys i really think Zed Isn't that bad. Its true that its annoying to be against him but he is actually not that easy to play and lets be honest here this guy who made this post is silver, no offense to you bro but seriously. And there are so many more BS champs to lane against like Riven 4 dashes on less than 4 Second cooldown. Zed has enough ways to be Countered, QSS, Zhonyas, Fiora's W, And many many more things. so i really think you shouldn't push that hard on him. Maybe nerf his E Damage like the guy said is the right thing but completely destroying the champ wouldn't be that good. Dont get me started on Yasuo He is probally the top Solo queue champ atm. Its my first time posting on the Boards so sorry if i misspelled something

-Cobra item 1051 Brofist

AIpha MaIeAug 15, 20151 votes

Also he is probally just a salty summoner who probally lost lane to him Recently. Look at the comments on this Board People are talking about Cancerina and Riven

TysminAug 15, 20151 votes

i don't think anyone caught on to the fact that you were implying that he has never played zed before

mikemcpartyAug 16, 20152 votes

This

Everyone's heads

Leaf of the lakeAug 15, 201533 votes

http://i.imgur.com/vqAHaob.gifv

Karen KujoAug 15, 201510 votes

https://taobabe.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/haruhi22.gif?w=600

I'm also a Zed main and I think in his current state is really unfair and only Annie, that also needs nerfs, has a chance against him.

My proposed changes are to heavily increase his shadow CD so he can't spam it for poke, also I don't think he needs extra AD neither, so we could remove it too, that Shadow thingy is so damn overloaded.

BiffoloAug 15, 20151 votes

+1 for haruhi

hi im alphonseAug 15, 20151 votes

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https://taobabe.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/haruhi22.gif?w=600

I'm also a Zed main and I think in his current state is really unfair and only Annie, that also needs nerfs, has a chance against him.

My proposed changes are to heavily increase his shadow CD so he can't spam it for poke, also I don't think he needs extra AD neither, so we could remove it too, that Shadow thingy is so damn overloaded.

Would you put in buffs somewhere else or just leave it like that? That seems rather harsh, but i dont play zed much so i wouldnt know that well. All i know is his ratios are actually pretty crummy unless you get clean shurikens (first hit ones) and his burst is the slowest among the assassins

RisurinAug 15, 20152 votes

chogath and urgot destroy him what. and there is a lot of skill matchup like ahri. as an adc main that get jumped by assassins even when they are at their weakest, i think Zed is probably the least of my worries among the assassins LOL.

WalkingInACircleAug 15, 20157 votes

Yeah, his total safety and energy based harass is quite powerful in lane, not to mention easy mode last hits. I think some AD champ mains don't realize the advantage they get over AP champs in lane from AD runes, autoattacks are a major damage source in lane. Usually the more aggressive Zed is, the harder he is to deal with really.

And once the carries build item 3157 / item 3139 he's useless! Or at least use-impaired. Can still split. But you shouldn't have that early game power without a late game fall off, like other assassins.

walgaubananaAug 15, 201520 votes

Yeah, like seriously, Zed shouldn't be allowed to build item 3157 in lane and still destroy the enemy support.

I suggest we nerf his AP scalings on his Passive and E, so Zhonya is a less effective item on him.

A Miss FortuneAug 15, 20156 votes

Don't even get me started on AP Zed, have you seen AP Riven.

Rustling BushAug 15, 20151 votes

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Yeah, his total safety and energy based harass is quite powerful in lane, not to mention easy mode last hits. I think some AD champ mains don't realize the advantage they get over AP champs in lane from AD runes, autoattacks are a major damage source in lane. Usually the more aggressive Zed is, the harder he is to deal with really.

And once the carries build / he's useless! Or at least use-impaired. Can still split. But you shouldn't have that early game power without a late game fall off, like other assassins.

well you are in turn going out of your way to make yourself weaker (unless heavily cc based team) to everyone else in order to just stop zed's ult. those items are expensive, first buy means you still going to be mana hungry or weaker then the other adc. your probably going to have to end up buying it much later in the game, maybe your 4th or 5th item, by then its probably to late to stop zed from snowballing.

gaby1bestAug 15, 20157 votes

http://i.memeful.com/media/post/oMJmG5w_700wa_0.gif

EndogenicAug 15, 20156 votes

Zed just spams his Q at me over and over and over again eventually forcing me out of lane. energy IS NOT a resource because of how fast champions get it back, and every single energy champion can get their energy back even faster by doing a specific thing

then once Zed gets cutlass, he has as much sustain as he wants

how is ranged harass, sustain, and no resources fair?

I agree nerf zed

Stereo DreamerAug 15, 20153 votes

Shen : How I wish it were so.

iltAug 15, 20155 votes

Zed is useless, idk what you're talking about.

Fed Zed: Deletes 1 person in fight and becomes useless. Not fed Zed: Deletes 1 person in a fight and becomes useless.

Robert SmithAug 15, 20152 votes

Deleted person is ADC usually so there goes pushing down towers quickly

Stormfire87Aug 15, 20154 votes

nobody understands wtf you're trying to say.

KapsteinAug 15, 20154 votes

wtf you trying to say L0L

stevedoesmcAug 15, 20153 votes

zed gets a nerf BUT GRAVES CAN'T HAVE A GODAMN CIGAR!

GankLordAug 15, 20152 votes

I don't mind zed being able to do that what I do mind is that Zed has ridiculous wave clear. The only nerf zed should receive is that his e does half damage to minions or monsters.

BeoridasAug 15, 20152 votes

i know OP was joking a bit around, which is appreciated.

But i personally believe that his passive is what hurt the most. mid game its his AD% increase.

UncIe ZedAug 15, 20152 votes

wtf dude, zed is in bad spot right now, pbe buffs gave him 0.5 sec delay instead or 1 but it's still BS cause u can still get cc 'ed when u ult someone which is the problem. They should just revert it instead.

darkdillAug 15, 20152 votes

No, the whole point of there being that window is so the opponent CAN CC him when he ults. Zed's gotta take a real risk if he wants Death Mark to kill.

SkiasAug 15, 20151 votes

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wtf dude, zed is in bad spot right now, pbe buffs gave him 0.5 sec delay instead or 1 but it's still BS cause u can still get cc 'ed when u ult someone which is the problem. They should just revert it instead.

At least he CAN be CC'd now.

XhaderAug 16, 20151 votes

Because he can be locked down? lol wat. Assassin 101: dive after cc is used. What other assassin can't be locked down during their combo?

UncIe ZedAug 16, 20151 votes

every assassin can be countered you know ( talon and akali pink ward etc ... ), bbuuuut the whole role of an assassin is to go when ennemies used their cc ( riven does the exact same thing ), now that R has delay, he can be cc'ed but it's way too much for zed because it's the assassin with the most counterplay ever. You know zed is good in lane , I dont really know if you can point that, because a loooot of other mages have better safety, farm and pock than zed ( xerath , ap kog ). Once you get level 6, it's the moment zed becomes very strong and can kill people ( you cant point every good atribute that zed has to make him BS ,that has no sense ). But dont worry, he will still be BS, because after 5 mins, mid will get zhonya, adc qss AND THE OTHERS WILL CC YOU, how the fck can u deal with an assassin when u cant even kill one guy in ennemy team ??? Right you split push, but zed's attack speed was nerfed. Mean while, akali can still OS ennemy adc and ap carry without counter item or whatever( yes pink for akali's w , but she doesnt need that to kill adc , just in team fights ) .

TL;DR: zed is the assassin with most counterplay in the game while others can be usefull and strong at every state of the game . Zed is hard to master champ and his combo is not instant like other assassins, so if u cc zed , it's a hard counter ---> zed useless.

grumpyfrogyAug 15, 20152 votes

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/63449127 zed main?

grumpyfrogyAug 15, 20152 votes

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http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/63449127 zed main?

ya this post is a troll

ZonkmanAug 15, 20152 votes

Reread this post one more time for me.

WolfChasesAug 15, 20152 votes

Let me guide you through a Zed's life in current meta:

owns in lane.
get's and early.
struggles but manages to get .
Not that big of a deal for in 1v1 scenario.

BUT

Fully fed enemy wields
Demi God enemy who just roflstomped your has already got her bread and butter
Wait they have 4k HP fully stacked in their jungle ..

Good luck Ulting Ahri with item 3157 in the middle of the teamfight or anyone else. I suggest you to ult their Janna if she doesn't have er ultimate to poop on you and push you straight into the sharp claws of the death.

XhaderAug 16, 20151 votes

I don't think Kalista & Irelia are champs you should compare anyone to in regard to balance. Not to mention item 3718 Shyvana is considered hella OP by a lot of people at the moment. Come up with a less one-sided scenario that doesn't muddy your point

gafrattAug 15, 20152 votes

Please I just got him...

Only Play DariusAug 15, 20151 votes

Wtf are you trying to say?

Kuroi86Aug 15, 20151 votes

Neva gonna give you up! Neva gonna let you down!

SoriokuAug 15, 20151 votes

lol what.

AkabaneKunAug 15, 20151 votes

What sickens me about zed is how good he is in every stage of the game for how strong he gets lategame with the W passive , not to mention he can do well in pretty much any lane vs anyone if played accordingly like ahri ,

At least Yasuo is actually weak pre static shiv and can be ganked pretty easily not to mentions gets auto destroyed by a lot of champions in the game, zed pre 6 just presses W and after 6 presses R on one of them and gets a kill before dying.

BuzzinTateAug 15, 20151 votes

I think they need to remove his energy.. But wait, theres moar!

The only skill im ready to warrant a "low" cooldown would be his shadows. Infact they should stack like an akali ult or azir soldiers

Zed needs to remain the high burst assassin he is i get that, but he doesnt need to do that by spamming Q with his shadow.

when a shadow hits a target with Q it does magic damage and it marks the enemy, Zed can now cast his ult at any range. (shadows still need to be in range to dash to them)

Ult now does a tenth/eight/sixth of the targets CURRENT health and grants zed a .7 second spell shield.

BOOM FIXED.