Shoutout to Jungle Mains

Shirvallah·Nov 26, 2016·136 votes·6,047 views

Holy shit, you guys. I tried jungling for the second time ever this evening. I swear to god...that is the most difficult role I have ever played in league.

I'm a support main, and I felt like I was having to constantly support eeeeeeeveryone and push them in the right direction.

I don't know how you guys do it. I don't know how you multitask. I don't know how you're constantly clearing camps and focused on getting each lane ahead. Jesus, guys. How do you do it? HOW DO YOU DO IT?! How do you keep your sanity when everyone's constantly pinging for help?

I legitimately felt like a chicken running around with my head cut off, ok.

How are you not constantly paranoid that you'll be invaded by the enemy jungler? How are you not constantly paranoid that everyone's gonna group up and take you out in your own territory? How?

Oh my god.

This one's to you, junglers. Y'all are the bomb. Long live jungle mains.

167 Comments

DJ LucioNov 26, 201663 votes

We're the first ones to get blamed too :(

ShirvallahNov 26, 201614 votes

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We're the first ones to get blamed too :(

I, personally, can honestly say I have never blamed a jungler for anything. As a support main, I always ask how I can better myself for the sake of my team.

DJ LucioNov 26, 20162 votes

That's good. I like to see people who are positive about their mistakes and don't blame others.

ShirvallahNov 26, 20163 votes

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That's good. I like to see people who are positive about their mistakes and don't blame others.

I try to be the person I would want others to be.

MoortinNov 28, 20161 votes

Whoa, in too deep

HeroineSamNov 26, 20163 votes

I agree with Wrathina. As in, I never blame the jungle for anything. It's a busy job and it's easy to blame others instead of blaming oneself. Sadly you guys are the victim of such things (as am I since I'm not that good). But do remember, you yourself aren't to blame, and even if you are for you made a mistake, that should be celebrated. That's something to practice on, something to learn from! If you were a perfect player who never made mistakes, you would be at a plateau and not improve and that would come hand in hand with existential crises and etc. I love making mistakes for I know I can better myself. So either way, if you are blamed even though it isn't your fault or if you are at fault, both are just fine. Some people can take it out of proportion, just don't be upset with those people for saying such things. Be the better man and forgive them for such things, for who knows what their situation is at their home or in their life. We don't know, so we must keep an open-mind and stay positive. And to you sir, who has endured such an onslaught of blame, I salute you and ask you to be strong. There's my little philosophy and I hope you take some of it to heart!

EndlessSorcererNov 26, 201624 votes

Honestly, a massive part of jungling is just experience with the game.

Knowing lane match-ups, knowing how to farm and path efficiently, knowing how and when to take objectives, knowing ward locations and timings, and knowing how players think are all extremely important for the role.

If you are trying to learn, I have some general tips which may prove useful.

I would suggest watching videos by high-ELO and/or professional junglers (i.e. Nightblue3, Stonewall008, Valkyrin, and foxdropLOL). They will typically provide a lot of useful tips while playing and you can often see or hear their decision process and some optimizations throughout the game.

Off the top of my head, some basic optimizations may be:

Use hard-CC when the monster camps are about to attack you to cancel that attack and delay their next.
Attack Speed is extremely efficient at clearing on most junglers. I'd recommend using about 15% on champions when you need to speed up their clear even if they don't use the stat much later (with a few exceptions, such as Nidalee and Evelynn).
Keep a control ward out (or in your inventory) whenever possible. This is important for every champion, but I thought I should emphasis it. There isn't really a good reason not to.

As far as ganking is concerned:

When possible, conserve your gap-closer while ganking. If you can get to the enemy champion without using your mobility spell(s), then you can save it to catch them after they try to escape (Flash, dash, blink, etc).
You should should try to stay between the enemy and their escape route. You should be trying to move backwards (towards their escape) in-between attacks so that you can body-block them and slow their escape. This also leaves you closer to them if they try to dash on blink past you.
It can be risky to gank top-lane while Dragon is up since the enemy team can just group and take it 4v3. I'd recommend ganking top-lane early if possible (after your initial clear) and when Dragon is down; that lane can be quite snowbally due to isolation, so you want to get your ally ahead.
Learn to recognize the general times when buff camps spawn during games. If you see the enemy gank bottom lane while their top-side buff is up, you can go steal it from them.
Watch when top and bottom lane initially go into lane. If that lane has leashed for their jungler (missing health, mana, or showed up to lane a bit late), then you know where the enemy jungler has likely started and where they will end their clear (where is closest for them to gank).
If you have killed the enemy laner, you can either allow your laner to freeze or shove the lane into the enemy tower. If you shove the wave under tower and the next minion wave is coming up, it can be helpful to proxy it to ensure that the wave fully resets and the enemy laner misses as much as possible. This is very situational though and you will have to learn when through experience.

Other tips:

Whenever possible, walk up to the enemy champion during a gank and save your gap-closer for after they use their escape abilities.
Watch the enemy laners when they go into lane. Whichever lane shows up later and/or missing mana will likely indicate which side of the jungle the enemy jungler started on (which is useful for predicting gank paths and for counter-jungling).
Watch the minimap to see when and where the enemy goes to ward, which laners are pushing, which laners are vulnerable
Know, roughly, how most laning matchups go so that you can prioritize which lanes are the easiest to gank or require an early gank to decide the matchup.
If you have blown an enemy's Flash during a gank but haven't killed them, swing back around immediately after an gank them again. Many people don't expect it
If you've killed an enemy during a previous gank in top lane, kill them again immediately after they return to lane. They likely won't have wards up yet and a second back-to-back death can be enough to completely crush any chance that opponent has to recover the lane.
Top laners rarely bother warding the lane bushes. As such, lane ganks can be quite surprising and effective.
When you kill an enemy laner, shove the minion wave into the tower so they miss gold and experience and so that the minion wave will reset to the middle of the lane. If you can get away with it, clear the upcoming minion wave as well to ensure the reset and maximum missed minions.

You will learn a lot through experience, but these tips should help you at the start.

ShirvallahNov 26, 20163 votes

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Honestly, a massive part of jungling is just experience with the game.

Knowing lane match-ups, knowing how to farm and path efficiently, knowing how and when to take objectives, knowing ward locations and timings, and knowing how players think are all extremely important for the role.

If you are trying to learn, I have some general tips which may prove useful.

I would suggest watching videos by high-ELO and/or professional junglers (i.e. Nightblue3, Stonewall008, Valkyrin, and foxdropLOL). They will typically provide a lot of useful tips while playing and you can often see or hear their decision process and some optimizations throughout the game.

Off the top of my head, some basic optimizations may be:

Use hard-CC when the monster camps are about to attack you to cancel that attack and delay their next.

Attack Speed is extremely efficient at clearing on most junglers. I'd recommend using about 15% on champions when you need to speed up their clear even if they don't use the stat much later (with a few exceptions, such as Nidalee and Evelynn).

Keep a control ward out (or in your inventory) whenever possible. This is important for every champion, but I thought I should emphasis it. There isn't really a good reason not to.

As far as ganking is concerned:

When possible, conserve your gap-closer while ganking. If you can get to the enemy champion without using your mobility spell(s), then you can save it to catch them after they try to escape (Flash, dash, blink, etc).

You should should try to stay between the enemy and their escape route. You should be trying to move backwards (towards their escape) in-between attacks so that you can body-block them and slow their escape. This also leaves you closer to them if they try to dash on blink past you.

Use Raptor's smite buff to determine if you have been spotted by wards when ganking to reduce the risk of them escaping or receiving a counter-gank.

It can be risky to gank top-lane while Dragon is up since the enemy team can just group and take it 4v3. I'd recommend ganking top-lane early if possible (after your initial clear) and when Dragon is down; that lane can be quite snowbally due to isolation, so you want to get your ally ahead.

Learn to recognize the general times when buff camps spawn during games. If you see the enemy gank bottom lane while their top-side buff is up, you can go steal it from them.

Watch when top and bottom lane initially go into lane. If that lane has leashed for their jungler (missing health, mana, or showed up to lane a bit late), then you know where the enemy jungler has likely started and where they will end their clear (where is closest for them to gank).

If you have killed the enemy laner, you can either allow your laner to freeze or shove the lane into the enemy tower. If you shove the wave under tower and the next minion wave is coming up, it can be helpful to proxy it to ensure that the wave fully resets and the enemy laner misses as much as possible. This is very situational though and you will have to learn when through experience.

Other tips:

Whenever possible, walk up to the enemy champion during a gank and save your gap-closer for after they use their escape abilities.

Watch the enemy laners when they go into lane. Whichever lane shows up later and/or missing mana will likely indicate which side of the jungle the enemy jungler started on (which is useful for predicting gank paths and for counter-jungling).

Watch the minimap to see when and where the enemy goes to ward, which laners are pushing, which laners are vulnerable

Know, roughly, how most laning matchups go so that you can prioritize which lanes are the easiest to gank or require an early gank to decide the matchup.

If you have blown an enemy's Flash during a gank but haven't killed them, swing back around immediately after an gank them again. Many people don't expect it

If you've killed an enemy during a previous gank in top lane, kill them again immediately after they return to lane. They likely won't have wards up yet and a second back-to-back death can be enough to completely crush any chance that opponent has to recover the lane.

Top laners rarely bother warding the lane bushes. As such, lane ganks can be quite surprising and effective.

When you kill an enemy laner, shove the minion wave into the tower so they miss gold and experience and so that the minion wave will reset to the middle of the lane. If you can get away with it, clear the upcoming minion wave as well to ensure the reset and maximum missed minions.

You will learn a lot through experience, but these tips should help you at the start.

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! You're so great and so kind! Thank you SO SO SO much for taking the time to write this! I will constantly be referring to this from now on. You've no clue how much this helps me. Love you long time, hehe.

MrBuffingtonNov 26, 20162 votes

I play fill, and am focusing more and more on jungle recently. I started out playing a lot of support, though, so I can see where you're coming from.

Just to add onto that list, here are some tips/concepts that help me:

Limit what you're focusing on so you're not overwhelmed:

Pick simple champions if you're just starting out. Jungle is very cerebral, and it becomes even more difficult if you're trying to manage comboing your spells correctly on Lee Sin/Nidalee/Rengar, etc. Playing a simple champion allows you to focus on the map and less on mechanics, etc. Warwick is the default beginner jungler; his innate sustain helps him clear without dying and his ult is basically a timer of when you want to gank. Plus he's incredibly mechanically simple. I mostly play Shyvana, Rammus, and sometimes Vi; other good options are Amumu, Trundle, Volibear, Skarner, Eve, Sejuani, Maokai, Zac, etc.
On a similar note, pick 1-2 champions to really learn. You want your mechanics and clear to be second nature so you can focus on the minimap/switch focus constantly; basically good junglers are almost never looking at their character, especially when farming. This is a good tip in general, but more important for junglers for the aforementioned reasons.

Shift focus from supporting your team to trying to win

This is true for playing support as well; I'm sure you've met ADCs where no amount of babysitting will ever help them. What you do is mute them and go put your effort towards what will actually help your team win, ie. gank mid lane, ruin the game for their jungler, etc. Same is true for jungling; if you spend all your time focusing on a lane that's just going to start losing again as soon as you leave, you're wasting your effort and could be helping a teammate that will actually carry. This being said, there are some instances where you can't leave a laner alone, for example if the enemy laner is getting dangerously fed and will just steamroll the game. Going there and feeding two kills instead of one isn't going to help, but you can relieve some pressure and stop the bleeding in some other ways, such as just showing up and forcing them back, poking them down, or getting another teammate unreasonably fed so they take over the game faster/shutting down everyone else on their team so it'll be 1v5.
Keep in mind that you too need farm and, depending on your champion, can take over a game. It isn't your job to save your teammates from themselves; do what you need to do to win the game. If that means AFK farming on Yi for 30 minutes and then killing everything on the map, do so. Now, that doesn't give you an excuse to ignore your teammates; if you're just AFK farming and the enemy jungler gets their team so far ahead, no amount of farm will save you. This gets into the nuance of decisionmaking that is core to jungling, but the bottom line is to shift mindsets from "I need to help out [laner]" to "ganking/farming here and now will better enable me to win the game."
To add to that, think of ganks as icing on the cake; farm is where you get a stable income. At really high levels it may be easier to rely on your teammates, but if you spend a lot of time sitting in a bush waiting for a perfect gank, you and your teammate might still end up behind even if the gank is successful. Clear camps whenever you're on the way from one place or another, whenever you're waiting on teammates to get into position, etc.

Be efficient with your time. This folds into a lot of the other points

There are a lot of small tips here, such as preparing your back animation and canceling it if you're really waiting for a gank, aforementioned clearing camps on your way to other things, planning your jungle routes based on being able to clear as many camps as possible as you move from one place to another/try to avoid doubling back across dead camps, and so on.
Be decisive yet flexible. Stick to your plan; of course you want to adjust as necessary, but don't just drop everything as soon as one lane starts spam pinging you. Similarly, commit to your ganks, but adjust your goals as necessary, don't tunnel on getting a certain kill or any kill if it's no longer feasible. Basically, if you're ganking bot, don't tunnel on the ADC under turret if the support is a free kill, and vice versa.
Knowing your laner's matchups help prioritize; for example, if your mid is Vladmir vs. LeBlanc, and you're playing Nunu, you're going to have a really tough time ganking that lane, so you can shift your goal to getting other lanes ahead, or by simply relieving pressure from mid lane instead of trying to get a kill and letting Vladmir outscale, throwing a wrench in LeBlanc's roams, and otherwise being an annoying yeti rider as Rito intended. That being said, know when you have openings to gank, such as when the enemy is really far pushed in, when the enemy's cooldowns are down, etc. This is where the next point is crucial

Map awareness

This is the core of jungling, and why playing easy champions really helps. Playing support really helps since you have a better sense of vision and map control than most other laners; it's just about applying this to the map.
Get into the enemy jungler's head. Think about what they're trying to accomplish, how the map looks from their perspective, and what you would do in their situation, and how best to counter that. If your laner is really pushed up, you can hang out near them and look to countergank. If you see them walk into the jungle at low health, they might be trying to clear one more camp before backing, so you can invade, kill them quickly, and leave before the enemy can react. This is more advanced, but something to think about as you get comfortable with the basics.
Vision control helps; again, you're used to this from playing support, but an advanced tip is to use indirect or non-information as information. Basically, if you ward the enemy's bot side and don't see them, there's a chance they're on top side. If you invade and see that a camp is dead, you know that they were recently there and can begin to piece together their jungle route and predict where they're going next.

Basically, you have a lot of freedom as a jungler, and jungling effectively is about narrowing that freedom down to specific goals and following through. Take things step by step, evaluate your own plays and decisions and learn from them.

I also recommend Nightblue3; his stream is a bit heavy on the memes lately (you can try looking up games from past seasons/his guides on youtube if you want), but he still provides some pretty good insight. Lastshadow9 (or LS) is a coach/analyst and provides a more holistic approach to the game and to jungling (keep in mind he can be a bit extreme, don't take him completely literally; he uses extreme language to get his point across, but getting down the concepts about how he approaches the game really helps)

RomtheguyNov 26, 20165 votes

This is a very good list of tips, actually! I recommend anyone to read this. And now, for some cheeky responses.

Use Raptor's smite buff to determine if you have been spotted by wards when ganking to reduce the risk of them escaping or receiving a counter-gank.

What is smite buffs baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more (was this list copy pasted?)

If you've killed an enemy during a previous gank in top lane, kill them again immediately after they return to lane. They likely won't have wards up yet and a second back-to-back death can be enough to completely crush any chance that opponent has to recover the lane.

You forgot to mention the fact that this also crushes morale a lot and guarantees full-on tilt to the ~~victim~~ enemy and also extends partially to their entire team. gg no re gg ez

EndlessSorcererNov 26, 20166 votes

I wrote it over a year ago and edit it occasionally.

I thought I removed all mention of Smite buffs, but I suppose I missed one. Thank you.

FlashnFuseNov 26, 20169 votes

Once you learn the general jungle path it gets much easier to spend your focus on enemies and allies. Take it slow :)

Jungling and supporting are very similar to each other in that you get blamed for everything wrong but never get thanked for anything right so you'll fit right in. If your 0/4/0 18cs top spam pings for help at 5 minutes, just ignore him unless you're fed enough to clean up his mess. Or lie and say you'll be right there as you mentally chart out a journey to gank your mid lane.

Who do you like supporting as? I can probably figure out some junglers that fit your playstyle.

ShirvallahNov 26, 20161 votes

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Once you learn the general jungle path it gets much easier to spend your focus on enemies and allies. Take it slow :)

Jungling and supporting are very similar to each other in that you get blamed for everything wrong but never get thanked for anything right so you'll fit right in. If your 0/4/0 18cs top spam pings for help at 5 minutes, just ignore him unless you're fed enough to clean up his mess. Or lie and say you'll be right there as you mentally chart out a journey to gank your mid lane.

Who do you like supporting as? I can probably figure out some junglers that fit your playstyle.

Thank you, friend! I appreciate all that you do!

I play a lot of Karma, Zyra, Syndra, Lux, and Nami. I like Diana so far. Though, I know she's a bit more challenging to work with gank-wise until level 6. Her sustain is what attracted me to her. I own Nidalee, so I may try her again, since she's easier to gank with pre-6.

BeldairNov 26, 20164 votes

Have you tried Fiddlesticks jungle? Cause it seems you like caster supports and Fiddle is a strong caster jungler.

ShirvallahNov 26, 20161 votes

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Have you tried Fiddlesticks jungle? Cause it seems you like caster supports and Fiddle is a strong caster jungler.

I have not, but I'll definitely try him. What do you think of Evelynn? She kinda seems like someone I'd like.

BeldairNov 26, 20163 votes

Evelyn can be a strong jungler.

jaymc1130Nov 26, 20163 votes

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Evelyn can be a strong jungler.

This comment gets the JayMC seal of approval.

ShirvallahNov 26, 20161 votes

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Evelyn can be a strong jungler.

Awesome! I'll try her! Is there any special advice you could give to me about her?

jaymc1130Nov 26, 20162 votes

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Awesome! I'll try her! Is there any special advice you could give to me about her?

item 3116 Dis op.

Rogue BlitzwolfNov 26, 20162 votes

Play her a lot she is a little difficult I never put the time into her that was necessary don't give up if you have a couple bad games with her. Also build her as an ap bruiser. At least that's the one I see has the most success.

Hellen KellerNov 26, 20162 votes

I've played a lot of Evelynn, mostly before pre-season but occasionally after. My favorite way to play her is off-tank, albeit it may not work at higher ELO (I'm Gold V, my advice is probably shaky but a broken clock is right twice a day). Normally I build item 1402 , item 3158 , item 3025 , item 3116 , item 3742 , and item 3001 . It gives her a really good balance of damage and tankiness.

My biggest thing is that she's extremely situational - be careful of playing her into very mobile and/or very peely comps.

ShirvallahNov 26, 20161 votes

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I've played a lot of Evelynn, mostly before pre-season but occasionally after. My favorite way to play her is off-tank, albeit it may not work at higher ELO (I'm Gold V, my advice is probably shaky but a broken clock is right twice a day). Normally I build , , , , , and . It gives her a really good balance of damage and tankiness.

My biggest thing is that she's extremely situational - be careful of playing her into very mobile and/or very peely comps.

Thank you kindly for your advice! I appreciate you very much.

R18Nov 26, 20162 votes

Don't go iceborn. It's outclassed by Lichbane of AP Evelynn

SH AzykanNov 26, 20162 votes

^agreed also pointless with rylais in the build as well for the perma slowing. iceborn is better on ad/bruiser eve

a special oneNov 26, 20162 votes

pls no gauntlet and rylais, pick one

D2VincentNov 26, 20162 votes

Also Karthus JG. most ppl will scoff at it probably, but the new jungle is actually pretty good with him, and I don't think a lot of people expect it. My only suggestion is that if you do go JG Karthus, it might pay off to ask Top or Bot to ward your red so it doesn't get invaded :P

jaymc1130Nov 26, 20167 votes

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I'm a support main, and I felt like I was having to constantly support eeeeeeeveryone and push them in the right direction.

Welcome to your new family.

We will get blamed for everything.

But that's ok. We're the most important and influential role in the game.

So if we win we also get to take credit for everything and for babysitting everyone all game long.

EedatNov 26, 20166 votes

The minimap is your best friend. You need to get used to constantly scanning lanes to see which ones are pushing in which direction and health bars. After that it becomes a lot easier

ShirvallahNov 26, 20162 votes

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The minimap is your best friend. You need to get used to constantly scanning lanes to see which ones are pushing in which direction and health bars. After that it becomes a lot easier

Great advice, thank you!

48983507DEL1Nov 26, 20164 votes

It's honestly a lot like driving.

The first few times you feel really overwhelmed, having to keep track of the cars in front of you, behind you, on your sides, all while monitoring your own speed and steering.

However, after years of driving, it mostly becomes second nature. You become one with the way the car works, and it all flows together.

lolouieNov 26, 20164 votes

Top - needs to have good map awareness for TP plays Jungle - hardest role in my opinion, needs alot of brains Mid - Carries that hardest early-mid cus most pressure lane ADC - hardest role mechanically (kiting) and highest DPS dealer Support - idk my support man. I just know they deserve more glory than they get

At least that's how I view the roles

what you deserveNov 26, 20163 votes

my best advice git gud

ShirvallahNov 26, 20165 votes

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my best advice git gud

AstroFerrari Nov 26, 20163 votes

It's not an easy job, but someone has to do it. I actually started jungling more because I didn't like constantly worrying about my CS score and Kindred was very strong back then.

5000000000000000Nov 26, 20163 votes

I'm trying to learn other roles as a support main, too. I started practicing top and jungle, but holy shit is jungle difficult. I really need to work more on map awareness, and jungle is probably the best role for that.

FrodoBagginsesNov 26, 20163 votes

Jax Amumu If you don't play jungle much and want to still be extremely useful these two champions are your best friends. They are just generally among the easiest that still have a huge impact on the game.

ShirvallahNov 26, 20162 votes

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If you don't play jungle much and want to still be extremely useful these two champions are your best friends. They are just generally among the easiest that still have a huge impact on the game.

Amumu looks n00b-friendly. Is there any special advice you can give me about him?

EndlessSorcererNov 26, 20162 votes

The following is my preferred set-up.

Basic runes:

AP Quints + Glyphs
Attack Speed Marks
Flat Armor Seals

Skill Order (based on S6 jungle):

WEWQWR, R>W>Q>E

Core Items: item 2032 item 3047 item 1413 item 3116

Good defensive items are Randuin's Omen, Frozen Heart, Spirit Visage, Zz'rot Portal.

Good offensive options are Liandry's Torment, Abyssal Scepter and Void Staff.

BoilTheOilNov 26, 20163 votes

i only jungle cuz i hate getting ganked

Shifue DravenNov 26, 20163 votes

i'll tell you the 5 secrets for me when i jungle.

1)Find the type of champ you can play well.Honestly some love assassin junglers i lean more on tank/fighter/divers as my main types. find what suits you best my main go to jgs are shyvanna,vi,udyr,j4,and kindred(my adc jungler).

2)If you worry about being counter jungled pick a tanky jungle i can't tell you how many a time a shaco jungle regretted trying to counter me do to picking a fighter.Always plan ahead if you know this type of jungle is bad for invading ward or make sure you hide in the bushes with your leash men.

3)The pings get annoying best thing to do is decide who really needs the help and who is just needing their hand held.If i am on the otherside of the map say bot and their jg is top i am either pushing bot or mid to build equal pressure. Then sometimes you just have to accept that helping the behind lane is a losing battle (this seems to happen more with top as many are now pushing this adc top crap alot) if the player in that lane that is failing does nothing to negate the damage focus on other lanes.

Balancing the camps and lanes is hard but knowing when you can be effective to help a lane is when it counts(IE warwick currently is useless for ganking until lvl6 etc).Sometimes some champs take a little longer to get into lane to gank(as well not saying you can't get a low life gank at 3) but be aware of this.

5)Map awareness is always a must period.Time your camps, plot your coruses ward and scout depending on your jungle choice some of this is easier.When you have talon and you can hop walls like crazy you can plot a course easier then say vi. But then again if vi gets found out in their jg she can take a beating were if you blew all of your wall hops on talon well expect a grey screen.

Main thing is to have fun and find champs that suit your style.

ShirvallahNov 26, 20162 votes

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i'll tell you the 5 secrets for me when i jungle.

1)Find the type of champ you can play well.Honestly some love assassin junglers i lean more on tank/fighter/divers as my main types. find what suits you best my main go to jgs are shyvanna,vi,udyr,j4,and kindred(my adc jungler).

2)If you worry about being counter jungled pick a tanky jungle i can't tell you how many a time a shaco jungle regretted trying to counter me do to picking a fighter.Always plan ahead if you know this type of jungle is bad for invading ward or make sure you hide in the bushes with your leash men.

3)The pings get annoying best thing to do is decide who really needs the help and who is just needing their hand held.If i am on the otherside of the map say bot and their jg is top i am either pushing bot or mid to build equal pressure. Then sometimes you just have to accept that helping the behind lane is a losing battle (this seems to happen more with top as many are now pushing this adc top crap alot) if the player in that lane that is failing does nothing to negate the damage focus on other lanes.

Balancing the camps and lanes is hard but knowing when you can be effective to help a lane is when it counts(IE warwick currently is useless for ganking until lvl6 etc).Sometimes some champs take a little longer to get into lane to gank(as well not saying you can't get a low life gank at 3) but be aware of this.

5)Map awareness is always a must period.Time your camps, plot your coruses ward and scout depending on your jungle choice some of this is easier.When you have talon and you can hop walls like crazy you can plot a course easier then say vi. But then again if vi gets found out in their jg she can take a beating were if you blew all of your wall hops on talon well expect a grey screen.

Main thing is to have fun and find champs that suit your style.

Holy cow. I love you. Thank you so much for taking the time to write this. It really means the world to me. I will constantly refer to these things from now on. I appreciate you.

Shifue DravenNov 26, 20163 votes

Anytime i am a jungle main myself some of this is core values all of us share/know granted i have a different feel about the pings with if they are not trying or i feel they are not i just help the ones that are trying.This is just the way i go about it i hope it does help.I suggest if you're use to support go with tank mains you may feel at home plus since top never has tanks anymore due to the adc meta up there now.

ShirvallahNov 26, 20162 votes

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Anytime i am a jungle main myself some of this is core values all of us share/know granted i have a different feel about the pings with if they are not trying or i feel they are not i just help the ones that are trying.This is just the way i go about it i hope it does help.I suggest if you're use to support go with tank mains you may feel at home plus since top never has tanks anymore due to the adc meta up there now.

I'll try that. Thank you, darling. I appreciate your response. XOXO

Cryo00Nov 26, 20163 votes

I main Mid/Support (I hate right clicking to do damage). My jungle plan "lol, I somehow got junlge ? Listen up team, no ganks till 20 minutes into the game"

Xela SyabNov 26, 20163 votes

The trick is to focus on a few camps and see a lane you can gank, mostly champs that are immobile or help a winning lane push down a tower.

Large MinivanNov 26, 20162 votes

thx bro. no one really awknoleges the jglers and I appreciate it.

HazyCloud7Nov 26, 20162 votes

Junglers undoubtedly receive more blame than any other role, and it's not even close. At times it's like trying to plug up 3 sinking holes on a ship with only 1 plug.

Linna ExcelNov 26, 20162 votes

Jungling is easy.
Dealing with your teammates as a jungler is the hard part.

The Yetii RiderNov 26, 20162 votes

How do I do it? Great question!

Answer: I don't gank. Seriously, ganking is a waste of time. Why try to get one lane ahead when you can guaranteed get your entire team ahead? Focus on dragons, herald. Take Baron at 20, no one ever wards it then.

agbudarNov 26, 20162 votes

alright here is a jungler that will help you with that Trundle this guy you can go either direction with him item 1400 item 1401 item 1416 any of these will work if you feel like you are behind in CS/lvl and really feel like you should be focusing on objectives and dragons to catch back up aka if you are basically never chasing anyone get item 3711 instead. when you desperately need a tank great for ganking and good for objectives. item 1416 if you need to do a lot of tankbusting and is the best item you can get for dragon/baron controll especially if you combine it with item 3153 at some point.

keystone should be warlords as it helps you stay alive and works amazing in tandem with your ult. runes attack speed marks armor seals mr glyph's quints movement speed or lifesteal. item 3065 whatever you do get this at some point in the game item 3153 highly underrated but the active and the rest of the stats are great on him stick to 1 or 2 damage items then go full cdr tank from there on out. just remember count item 3025 as an offensive item trundle is easy to learn hard to master his pillar when used right is a knock up and semi azir ult in the right spots of the map.

in regards to the constant pings.

if a lane is constantly pinging for help remember this: THEY ARE FUKKIN BAD. thats all you need to know gank em once to measure how they play but if you or him get killed in the proccess mainly cuz the laner didnt respond or responded way to late or was plain dumb dont gank him again. mute him and continue. if all lanes are this bad focus on getting all the dragons and keep it warded.

not all games are winnable.