Yasuo's windwall is stupid

Cµpcakke·Aug 12, 2018·88 votes·18,048 views

So going by League's logic...

Wind can stop a massive ram Wind can stop a tsunami Wind can stop light Wind can stop a void rift opening Wind can stop a wall Wind can stop a riptide Wind can stop sound Wind can stop a spirit blade Wind can stop an ice rupture EDIT: Wind can stop a NUKE Wind can stop an Anchor Wind can stop Ghost spears Wind can stop a phantom WInd can stop a hammer Wind can stop a giant mystic arrow

And my favourite. Wind can stop a star (Q)

Literally makes no sense. The only people im expecting to defend Yasuo are Yasuo one tricks [sg-lux-2]

134 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerAug 12, 201820 votes

It stops projectiles.

According to the game code, a projectile is anything with a particle effect and a travel time. Doesn't matter what that particle is, if it starts from point A, and then goes to point B, it's a projectile.

420 gramsAug 12, 201812 votes

What if the particle is a champion? Kalista

CµpcakkeAug 12, 201829 votes

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What if the particle is a champion?

To be honest im surprised it doesn't execute them

ModWulf HelhammerAug 12, 20184 votes

A champion is a different object in the code.

CheekynorthAug 12, 201812 votes

I believe that at one point when making Shaco's rework, his ult would turn him into a projectile. One of the playtesters managed to windwall Shaco and he was deleted from the game

CµpcakkeAug 12, 20189 votes

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It stops projectiles.

According to the game code, a projectile is anything with a particle effect and a travel time. Doesn't matter what that particle is, if it starts from point A, and then goes to point B, it's a projectile.

My point is that the riot team coded these abilities into the game, what went through their head to call them projectiles when they clearly aren't?

ModWulf HelhammerAug 12, 201819 votes

Because they are?

I defined what a projectile is. That's Riot's standard.

Just like "jumps" still are coded as dashes, projectiles are a basic element of the game and have a particular definition and behavior pattern.

CµpcakkeAug 12, 20183 votes

https://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/vectors/Lesson-2/What-is-a-Projectile

A projectile fly's, it doesnt run like a ram

ModWulf HelhammerAug 12, 201813 votes

And is the game set in real life?

Don't apply real world physics to a game.

PaladinNOAug 12, 20188 votes

https://pre00.deviantart.net/4b3b/th/pre/i/2014/090/e/7/_so_hard_to_be_a_flamer___1_nami_wanted_to_help_by_kahr_noss-d71wf2z.jpg

SugeMinPikkAug 12, 20187 votes

Why are you trying to make a "logic" argument in a video game where people use instant transmission, summon flames out of midair, fire bus-sized arrows with zero air resistance and zero mass, hover in the air, and turn into fucking dragons?

If we apply "logic" to Ashe's ult, then she'd have to fire it straight up in the air and turn it into a ground AoE like Xerath ult.

JavelinJoeAug 12, 20181 votes

Normally I would say it is somewhat acceptable since it is way easier to code an all encompassing solution (like if ability starts from point A then moves to point B, or if the ability covers the distance between point A and point B). With so many different abilities, it would take a lot of time off their hands to just do it like this.

But then you get shit like this where Velkoz has 3(4) unique interactions with Yasuo's windwall (Q is blocked, W is stopped but what is already placed will still work, E is blocked but will still detonate because of a possible bug, and his ult is not effected at all). This clearly shows some level of micromanaging and not just some overall rule scheme (like if (isProjectile == true){ blocked = true;}).

ModWulf HelhammerAug 12, 20184 votes

Some of those may be bugs, yes, but for Vel'Koz's ult, it isn't blocked because it isn't a projectile.

There is no travel time for LFDR. It damages everything caught in its range at the same time. That's something classified as a laser. Other examples (that I remember off the top of my head) are Lux Ult and Xerath Q

HuukoPeikkoAug 13, 20182 votes

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Some of those may be bugs, yes, but for Vel'Koz's ult, it isn't blocked because it isn't a projectile.

There is no travel time for LFDR. It damages everything caught in its range at the same time. That's something classified as a laser. Other examples (that I remember off the top of my head) are Lux Ult and Xerath Q

and also Lucian's Q right?

5000000000000000Aug 12, 20181 votes

Well not really, since there are dashes, knockbacks, and "minions". In particular, Sion's E through minion, spooky ghosts, and Mist Walkers jumping from Yorick's E. Wind wall also blocks things like Graves autos and Swain Q, which are both instantaneous. There's also things like Fizz's ult or Orianna's balls that get stopped but don't disappear, and also Aurelion Sol's stars that go through Wind Wall.

This doesn't necessarily mean Yasuo is broken/overpowered/whatever, but over the years the logic around Wind Wall has been becoming more and more confusing.

sss1612Aug 12, 20182 votes

Funnily enough graves' autos can be dodged. They travel very fast but they can be evaded, I've done it once myself. There's also a post about this "https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/41s5ql/can_you_dodge_a_graves_aa_with_flash/"

Noor SakataAug 12, 20184 votes

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It stops projectiles.

According to the game code, a projectile is anything with a particle effect and a travel time. Doesn't matter what that particle is, if it starts from point A, and then goes to point B, it's a projectile.

Yeah and that's what are people complaining about , why it can stop all projectiles ? why doesn't it stops like only cc abilities for example or only ranged basic attacks or only non-ultimate projectile abilities , at least it can get a nerf that doesn't let ultimates be stopped by a single wind wall

ModWulf HelhammerAug 12, 20181 votes

Can you give me a reason why it shouldn't?

Noor SakataAug 12, 20183 votes

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Can you give me a reason why it shouldn't?

It's simply , a basic ability stopping an Ultimate , which isn't balanced , I understand blocking basic abilities , but why the heck it stops Ornn Ult ? one of the best parts in the game is fun when you get in the mode and lore into the game , when Zed presses R , I get afraid or something because death awaits me , or when Vi punches me I feel like I really got punched especially when she comes from somewhere with no vision , but then here A Yasuo basic ability blocks an ULTIMATE ability , Ornn's Ult is one of the scariest ultimates in the game , when that kind of moster or dimigod or idk whats that comes and make that voice , it's really terrifying ! but guess what ? Yasuo stops it by using some Air coming out of a sword lol , it shouldn't be this way , the game should keep the lore stuff into the game a little bit

KFCeytronAug 12, 20186 votes

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It's simply , a basic ability stopping an Ultimate , which isn't balanced , I understand blocking basic abilities , but why the heck it stops Ornn Ult ? one of the best parts in the game is fun when you get in the mode and lore into the game , when Zed presses R , I get afraid or something because death awaits me , or when Vi punches me I feel like I really got punched especially when she comes from somewhere with no vision , but then here A Yasuo basic ability blocks an ULTIMATE ability , Ornn's Ult is one of the scariest ultimates in the game , when that kind of moster or dimigod or idk whats that comes and make that voice , it's really terrifying ! but guess what ? Yasuo stops it by using some Air coming out of a sword lol , it shouldn't be this way , the game should keep the lore stuff into the game a little bit

The game is full of basic abilities stopping ultimates. Yasuo's W isn't even the only intercept.

DisulfiramAug 12, 20182 votes

It is though the only one that can protect an entire team, without any charge up time, by flat out cancelling multiple enemy ultimates. Personally I'd be happy if at least the WindWall was cancelled by the first ultimate it blocked, so that he can't just cut a whole team out of the fight with 1 base spell only.

Mmmm on a second thought, scratch that: I'd be happy if WindWall was removed from the game and replaced with an actual base spell, instead of being a second ultimate in a base spell's clothing.

KFCeytronAug 12, 20184 votes

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It is though the only one that can protect an entire team, without any charge up time, by flat out cancelling multiple enemy ultimates. Personally I'd be happy if at least the WindWall was cancelled by the first ultimate it blocked, so that he can't just cut a whole team out of the fight with 1 base spell only.

Mmmm on a second thought, scratch that: I'd be happy if WindWall was removed from the game and replaced with an actual base spell, instead of being a second ultimate in a base spell's clothing.

It is not the only one. Have you never seen Soraka interrupt an ulting Fiddlesticks or Karthus (or both at the same time; wow that'd be satisfying to pull off)? Ultimate spells are given power through higher damage, better CC, longer range, etc., not through lack of counterplay.

Noor SakataAug 12, 20182 votes

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The game is full of basic abilities stopping ultimates. Yasuo's W isn't even the only intercept. Anything other than Yasuo w and Braum E ?

KFCeytronAug 12, 20184 votes

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Anything other than Yasuo w and Braum E ?

Those are the only two intercepts, but not nearly the only basic abilities that can stop ultimates. Anything that interrupts can stop a channeled ult, spellshields can block an ult, and so on. Ults are not privileged.

Noor SakataAug 13, 20181 votes

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Those are the only two intercepts, but not nearly the only basic abilities that can stop ultimates. Anything that interrupts can stop a channeled ult, spellshields can block an ult, and so on. Ults are not privileged.

Uhm sorry you are wrong , you are completely mistaken , it's not a bad thing to defend your champion but you are using the wrong method since when shields can block the cc that is coming from that basic ability ? besides that windwall can stay there for seconds , shields can't stay like what and block everything including cc , sorry but can you know , your argument is just wrong

KFCeytronAug 13, 20184 votes

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Uhm sorry you are wrong , you are completely mistaken , it's not a bad thing to defend your champion but you are using the wrong method since when shields can block the cc that is coming from that basic ability ? besides that windwall can stay there for seconds , shields can't stay like what and block everything including cc , sorry but can you know , your argument is just wrong

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Spell_shield

And, again, you can interrupt channeled ults with a variety of non-ult abilities, projectile ults (even point-and-click ones) can often be negated with untargetability, and so on. Yasuo's W is not the only basic ability that affects ults.

Just because something is an ult doesn't mean it's 100% guaranteed to do exactly what you want it to do with no counterplay. Cry that I'm "just wrong" all you want, but anyone who insists on unloading their projectile-based kit into an intercept and hoping that it somehow gets through this time will be disappointed.

O for OriannaAug 12, 20187 votes

Aurelion sol, the ruler of the galaxy, creates this gigantic swirling pool to absolute destroy his targets, can be stop by a tiny force of wind :)

JedenVojakAug 12, 20185 votes

Just wind?

http://www.space.com/images/i/000/039/320/i02/great-red-spot-jupiter-1995.jpg?1400167953

SugeMinPikkAug 12, 20185 votes

Gameplay over thematics. If something behaves as a projectile, it is blocked by Yasuo's wind wall. If it behaves as a ground AoE (e.g. Xerath R), then it is not blocked by Yasuo's wind wall.

hOrnnAug 12, 20182 votes

windwalk blocks darius apprehend dude. its not a projectile if it never leaves his hands right?

the balance is terrible, worlds only a few champs are picked about half never are, in dota 2 almost all heroes are picked in TI.

why? because balance, league is wombo combos and cheese, dota 2 is strategy.

SugeMinPikkAug 13, 20182 votes

You gonna link a video or just claim random shit?

Spicy RiceAug 13, 20184 votes

Ok, I call bullshit.

Tell me in what patch darius apprehend is blocked by windwall?

I've checked the patch histories of both champs and can't even find a single allusion to it

hOrnnAug 13, 20181 votes

call what ever you want go get a guy and try it out, ofc it blocks it...it blocks EVERYTHING....

Spicy RiceAug 13, 20184 votes

you are the one who said it blocks apprehend.

The burden of proof is on you, to prove, not me to disprove

Ch1efBeefQueefAug 12, 20184 votes

ummm... it cant stop Lux ult...

crippler38Aug 12, 20183 votes

It stops her root and shield though I believe (not sure about the shield) which are projectiles are they not?

DuskDaUmbreonAug 12, 20184 votes

You see, though, that's only a valid argument as a meme.

It makes no sense as a joke, because how the hell would some wind stop a ram?

However, then you have to actually realize that that all needs to happen for consistency. Every single one of those is a projectile, because that's the definition of a projectile.

It's something we laugh at, sure, but it's not something that's going to be considered for that unless balance matters there.

Also, Azir's wall is made of sand. Wind blows sand away.

CµpcakkeAug 12, 20181 votes

Also, Azir's wall is made of sand. Wind blows sand away.

it doesnt blow it away it just stops it

TewljrAug 13, 20184 votes

it has a long cd though so you could try and abuse the alcholic samurai while his wind is down

Timber WoIfAug 12, 20183 votes

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So going by League's logic...

Wind can stop a massive ram Wind can stop a tsunami Wind can stop light Wind can stop a void rift opening Wind can stop a wall Wind can stop a riptide Wind can stop sound Wind can stop a spirit blade Wind can stop an ice rupture

Literally makes no sense. The only people im expecting to defend Yasuo are Yasuo one tricks [sg-lux-2]

Stops auto attacks too from adcs. While he can dish out full 700+crit damage a Q.

Child of the PitAug 12, 20183 votes

Dude, ingame is not lore, in the lore it wouldn't happen to block anything of this, but this is not lore, this is ingame, even if it seems silly.

wildfox99Aug 12, 20183 votes

also

wind can stop a fking galaxy coming at you at full speed AurelionSol

[zombie-brand-clap]

S0lShadowsAug 13, 20187 votes

The gameplay does not follow the lore at all. If that was the case, picking malphite would be an instant win because you`d be the map

Curious KatAug 13, 20183 votes

You realize that's just how the game is coded right? For example, Tristana W can not go over Veigar stun. Because it's coded as a dash. Now i wish that wasn't the case, and they should 1, change the animation, or 2, re-code it to be an actual jump... But Riot won't do anything of that sort.

" Because the game is too old and can't introduce new coding into the engine ". Certain things should be re-coded, and have their OWN thing. But they claim they can't do that... For whatever reason.

JavelinJoeAug 12, 20181 votes

The best thing is that it can stop Lux ult but not Velkoz ult