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AP itemization is so disgruntled, I need wasted stats to build properly.

Du Ma Mi··3 votes·362 views

I play a lot of Fizz (Queue downvotes).

With my normal build I get 10% CDR from a item 3100, 20% from a item 3165, 15% from runes (scaling/level), and 5% from the mastery that boosts you to 45%.

My dilemma: That's 50% CDR. 5% isn't a big deal, right? Wrong. Morello's is the only decent option (other than maybe an Athene's, but I've personally never liked using it - just a personal preference) to get me to my 45% CDR cap. But what's the use in going 5% over? That's wasted stats, that I'd rather have a decent item for - unless I'm laning against a Swain, or there's a Mundo top on the opposing team, Morello's passive is basically useless, so I'm paying lots of gold for a wasted passive, and wasted 5% CDR.

"But, there are other items. Get an Athene's, get a Nashor's Tooth, get a-" Let me stop you there. I play Fizz as a straight up assassin - as little AAing as possible to get the job done, so Nashor's isn't a good option. And as far as Athene's goes, it isn't a bad option, but personally I'm just not a fan. Can't explain it, I just don't like it. And up against the oh-so-common full-AD squad this game? Yeah, that MR will be real helpful.

This is just from my perspective as Fizz, a lot of AP assassins/casters need CDR from items, but can't get it without adding completely arbitrary items to their build.

So what I'm asking is:

Why are there no items with 5%, 15%, or 25% CDR? Why are we so limited in our options? And what's worse, why is the scaling CDR equaling 15% a good idea? It isn't helping anyone who wants to max their cooldown reduction. Could we please throw some fixes in the new AP item changes (if it isn't too late) to CDR items (give us some more variety), or at least fix the extra 5% issue that I bet a lot of people have.

Or maybe it's just me.

But I don't like having extra stuff for nothing.

So tl;dr

Please fix it.

P.S. I know that Zhonya's now has 10% CDR as well. Whoop-de-doo. If I continue to build this then I'll have to switch out Sorcs for Lucids, which would still put me at 50%.

I may have mild OCD, I do not like having overhanging numbers.

6 Comments

Leeerzeichen3 votes
  1. Just change your runes and replace 3 cdr runes with mr or ap => 10% + 10% + 20% + 5% = 45%
  2. Even if you don't attack that much nashors tooth is better imo if you don't need the mana, because it offers the same stats + attack speed, but also provides a on-hit effect for you q (15 + 0.15 ap)
xBushx1 votes

This...my immediate thought was use better runes off start and get 5 extra ap.

Du Ma Mi1 votes

I bought the runes before the new mastery system. They were for getting 35% on my champions- I would be close enough to 40%. But with this system of trying to get 45% CDR, having the runes exist in general just seems like a waste. And when these were more expensive, I paid quite a bit for them, so it's really disappointing to have to buy more runes to replace the ones I've already bought, especially ones that don't feel very impactful, like 3 mr runes giving me... what? 9 mr? Not sure of the numbers, but I digress. You are right, but I'd prefer they just fix the runes that no one needs, or give us some more options in itemization, since the AP CDR items right now are inherently niche-picks. I mean now they're making zhonya's have 10%, but I really just don't care, since they're taking away more power from it to do so, forcing me to choose between getting it and having MORE wasted stats, or just not picking it up in general.

Also wanted to mention - when I say I play fizz as an assassin, I mean I have 45% CDR for a reason; 4.4 second Cooldown on his E. So I E onto a carry and auto once with my W for a lich bane proc - they die, and I'm already Eing out. I literally don't auto more then once after laning, and I refuse to rush a nashor's in lane when lich is so powerful.

At least the morello's helps to stop regen from Warmog's and other regen items. I guess Nashor's probably is better, but I'm a little stubborn with how I build. It's a fault, really.

ßurst2 votes

Also, i wish they changed ionian boots back as i find 5% more cdr a lot better early game.

Du Ma Mi1 votes

Agreed.

ßurst1 votes

I'll say it im a riven player.. also queue the downvotes lol but honestly the cdr for ad casters like riven and fiora is too expensive to obtain/doesn't help me very much at all. For example, i have to waste ip for optimal runes no biggie thats 10% cdr from runes. 5% from masteries. Then i ahve to waste 1100 for 10% if i want another 10% i need to invest like 2400 gold for cleaver or waste precious combat stats for boots..... and cdr is critical for riven early or even fiora or irelia.

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