Everyone Needs to Calm Down

Du Ma Mi·12/2/2019, 3:48:58 PM·41 votes·5,475 views

As most people have probably noticed by now, moderators are getting head-hunted by a group of boards members, for various reasons. I'm not here to say whether your reasons are justified, nor whether the mods' responses have been justified either. I think we can all agree, however, that things are being escalated WAY beyond how far they should have been.

Calling out mods on bullshit is fine, I'd say it's recommended, and I don't think any mods would fight me on that point - if you have an issue with the mods, then you're entitled to share it. On the other hand, I've seen people spamming posts, using upvote/downvote bots to further their opinions, and completely ignoring all the comments where REAL players are agreeing with mods.

Let me break down how the steps you take should look, when disagreeing with a moderator's decision:

If you get a removal/ban that you don't agree with, feel free to (politely) request some info about your situation. If a mod explains a removal, or a ban, and you still don't agree with it, feel free to talk to them (politely). If they tell you that you're SOL (outta luck, for those unfamiliar with the acronym), then you're SOL. They're the mods, they make the final calls - let bygones be bygones and move on. Stop acting like a child, it isn't a huge deal. If you're still upset, send in a support ticket and their Riot contact can decide.

People will not always agree with you, and it's important to remember these two things:

  1. If the mods perceive it as potentially rude/inflammatory/harm-inducing, then odds are SOMEONE on the boards agrees with them. That doesn't mean they don't make blunders, and I'll be the first one to call them out on that, but if they perceive something negatively, odds are it's something that can reasonably be perceived negatively, and you should just cut your losses and take the removal.

  2. Whatever you said was probably not worth much anyways. Sure, if the mods mess up, like I've said, they should be held accountable. But repeatedly spamming posts, commenting 25+ times on your thread to throw insults back and forth with a moderator because of a disagreement, trying to get mods BANNED? Your one, 5-word "controversial" comment isn't worth the effort, and if somehow you get it reversed; NO ONE EXCEPT YOU CARES.

People are really acting like children, and it's really frustrating to see mods that I've always considered to be doing a good job get head-hunted and insulted in posts that get upvote-bot-farmed to make them look like some kind of villain. The boards are devolving into a "Fuck the mods" space, and most of the players aren't even on board with it, from the comments I've read.

Finally, if you feel you're being targeted, take that up with some of the mods 1-on-1 in the discord, or find another way to contact them. Spamming the front page with garbage about getting mods fired is a waste of front-page space, much the same as this post is - the irony isn't lost on me, and I do not care. Someone had to say it.

Tl;Dr - everyone on the boards (mods and regular players) need to stop the attacking and retaliatory behavior and bring things back to a civil level, because in no way is it worth the effort. Just try your best to see things from a perspective other than your own.

EDIT: And the downvote bot is at it again. Before I went to my lecture a few hours ago this was 3rd from the top, with like 15 more upvotes than downvotes, I come back and the thread gets completely bombarded with downvotes all at once. You're only proving the point that you're using any means necessary to further your childish agenda. Whatever, I did what I set out to do, no use beating a dead horse, when it was clearly murdered.

51 Comments

ModThe Djinn12/2/2019, 3:59:55 PM18 votes

[{quoted}](name=Du Ma Mi,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=mVE0Kb3d,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-02T15:48:58.805+0000)* If you get a removal/ban that you don't agree with, feel free to [politely] request some info about your situation.

  • If a mod explains a removal, or a ban, and you still don't agree with it, feel free to talk to them [politely].
  • If they tell you that you're SOL [outta luck, for those unfamiliar with the acronym], then you're SOL. They're the mods, they make the final calls - let bygones be bygones and move on.

This is mostly accurate, but I'd like to add one further step: You are always welcome to send in a ticket to Riot Player Support, which will get to our main Riot contact.

This doesn't normally change things (we wouldn't still be moderators unless our actions and decisions fell reliably along the lines Riot desires in moderation), but the option does exist.

Vlada Cut12/2/2019, 4:27:13 PM10 votes

No.

It's mods who need to chill the fuck down and spare the community for breaking anyone's nerve even further.

HerbertyXsSn12/2/2019, 4:15:27 PM8 votes

Hell no. We need a revolution more than anything right now.

The game is in pieces and so are the boards. Enough of this shit about not expressing your discontent and letting shit be shit. The community's speaking up for the better.

PzyXo12/2/2019, 4:04:16 PM8 votes

Look, the mods aren't what they used to be that's the problem. The mods used to be normal board people but controls stuff normally like anyone. Nowdays, they are doing dumb stuff. Its beyond our thinking. They are forced to do that. Many things prove this, I know WarpChicken or ChickenWarp in boards. People used to love him and talk to him about every moderating problem. Last week he's being weird. Ask boards members and everybody will tell you the same.

BrokenRayquaza12/2/2019, 4:38:18 PM7 votes

I think it was like one guy that got a rebellion boner and started a revolution that is just a bunch of people calling mods childish while they probably haven't played league in a year or so

Janakin12/2/2019, 6:00:49 PM5 votes

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Sky Cardis12/2/2019, 6:03:51 PM4 votes

Maybe if they knew how to due the job correctly, maybe I would care a small bit. Sure some do their job decently, but like the police in the real world, people only see the bad ones because they get noticed more then the ones deemed true heroes. When the good ones defend the bad ones, then you KNOW what will happen.

It be wise for the good ones to remain silent and not probe the issue further until things die down.

As it stands, how they feel is of little to no concern nor consequence to me. I'm merely giving the best advice to the good ones.

Don't expect a read from me if your reply to me is some whiny biased post.

Gentleman Gems12/2/2019, 6:39:03 PM3 votes

This is a healthy and non Toxic comment section

I do appreciate the heads up though. With almost any emotionally high strung situations these days, internet, political, or ect., there seems to be a very thin line for middle ground to exist, and that middle ground is often struck at by both sides, leaving little room for civil discussions.

#WashingtonWarnedUs

Sirsir12/2/2019, 10:15:56 PM2 votes

And the downvote botter strikes again

2Charmnot2Charm12/2/2019, 5:05:11 PM2 votes

I’m surprised they got this far tbh [sg-poppy]

Tormentula12/2/2019, 8:21:11 PM2 votes

I'm going to say something a little bit on the controversal side, but somebody has to say it:

I think the board's ruleset needs to be toned down a little bit and focused more on the quality of the post themselves. What I mean by this is we're prioritizing others "feelings" and not to say that's a bad thing, we're doing it to the point where if we give criticism on something, by the standards of this forum its considered a deletion worthy offense. If I'm saying something correct, the last thing I'm worried about is feelings if I'm calling somebody out as an X abuser as a prime example of why I'd claim a champ is broken enough to let a bad player climb.

This is the equivalent to a common complaint in-game: players can troll you to guarantee you lose and hostage you; but if you flame them, afk, or they play the victim card riot will protect them instead, and that's what the boards is beginning to look like. On boards: players can shitpost, get mass downvoted, but if you reply to them to explain why they're being mass downvoted for their future reference or for those legitmately not understanding cause they're new, you're more at risk to become the bully.

Idk maybe its the fact I did used to be on smogon, and even the mod team would take liberty of calling people fucking stupid as their reasons for deleting their post, but truth is the forum is way cleaner and much easier to read as a result, it keeps the standards of discussion high. Instead on the boards, we protect the; "say anything you want as long as it doesn't affect someone's soft shell, even if said person isn't even affected by it" over "quality of the boards so us coaches don't tell players to not ever come here and to avoid this place as if it was the plague." There's a big reason nothing professional happens here beyond a couple riot post to break the ice. Smogon is way too strict in my eyes, we shouldn't delete everyone's post for being fucking stupid (even tho all pros will reconize a large majority of the gameplay section really is, find one to say otherwise, last relavent person to post here was trick2g back in 2016, meanwhile we have the god himself nubrac !!!), but I would like to see mods take more action towards; i'm just going to be fucking real with you: 99% of what an ahri main in particular we all know says and less on what the would-be replies to them are. Stuff that's clearly just not adding to discussions and everybody agrees affects the absolute state of these boards. (EDIT: how fucking sad, I still had to edit the name out cause I didn't feel comfortable enough to let them take the wheel on whether or not they'd keep it or remove it for me).

I did have a screenshot but I can't find it, one of my friends sent riot support a ticket asking a joke question (he wanted to know the winrate of minions lol), and in the discussion he asked if the rioter seen his post on the boards or something along those lines, and the rioter said "I hope I never have to check in there". Not going to call the rioter out because he is a cool dude, I like him, and the mods probably wouldn't let me do so anyway. This confirms the company literally dumps whoever to work for the boards because qualification of actually using them is enough. When your own company won't even pay attention to their franchise's forums, you know the quality standard is unfixably bad. 90% of the shit people get banned on these forums for, nobody gets banned in-game for. You don't get banned in-game for warning players of who's wintrading and inting your games, but you'll get banned if you simply post a screenshot of 'meh teams what do i do' and forget to cross out names. You don't get banned for calling players fucking morons in game (I HAVE been called that by a riot account before, he was playing gangplank duo'd with another rioter on vayne, this was when i was in plat in 2017. If i were to make a post about this, mod team would probably delete it because they shill riot), but if you just tell somebody to act intelligent, or use your brain, its enough to get your post deleted or banned.

Of course, I'm not saying to let this place become 4chan, or turn it into a barren wasteland like smogon does, I'm just saying **reconize what's considering 'calling someone out' vs. 'insulting for the sake of insulting'. **


The biggest nail in the coffin for me for the quality of these boards however, was that little gameplay+ experiment we had about, what a year ago? longer?

2 masters players, 3 high diamonds, 1 academy player. I know these people. Attempted to make post in there and got rejected by the silver-low diamond moderation team that reviewed the post and decided what was allowed to make it through. This tells me the mod team doesn't even recognize the difference between quality and shitposting, the simpliest solution would be if gameplay+ was tied to the account's rank you're posting with, but I find that really ridiculous that they'll allow 5 one liner threads saying the same exact thing about yasuo at once in gameplay, but not let actual intelligent players post in the gameplay+ section thats meant to funnel intelligent discussion.