Why are Keys the same price as Chests?

SSmotzer·Oct 28, 2016·39 votes·2,520 views

Shouldn't keys be, I don't know, cheaper? Like, say, 75 RP.

49 Comments

MonkeyMadnessOct 28, 20164 votes

Fucking stop with this poison. Key drop rate is designed to be completely equal to box drop rate. You get 12 key frags (or 4 keys) a month maximum, and because boxes regen at 1/week, you should be getting 4 each month. That's 4 keys and 4 boxes, ergo they should be the exact same price. Please stop whining about about how "free content isn't free enough" and "box drop rate is too low" or "key drop rate is too low". If you have a difference in key and box numbers, YOU are doing something wrong. The system is working perfectly as intended.

Edit: Oh, also: you need 1 key to open 1 box. They are therefore defined mathematically as equal, that I why I assumed you were using drop rate to determine which was more valuable.

SSmotzerOct 28, 20166 votes

Yeah, but I got like 12 chests and no key fragments. If you could tell me what I am doing wrong, that would be awesome.

theArtifactsOct 28, 20161 votes

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Yeah, but I got like 12 chests and no key fragments. If you could tell me what I am doing wrong, that would be awesome.

Not winning games on the rift.

LeetriOct 28, 20161 votes

If you have no key fragments that's most likely because you don't play/win enough games. That's the only reason I can think of that would explain it.

RogueWillOct 28, 20161 votes

Spam ARAM for the first dew keys, invite people for the last. That is basically teh only way to do it. ARAM games are faster so as long as the drop rate is high you are better of on ARAM (even with the diminished key drop) once the drop rate is low you gotta switch to normal games because the rate is close to 1% and goes into point something on ARAM, if youa re on a group the drop rate is a tad higher.

AIIanOct 28, 20161 votes

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Fucking stop with this poison. Key drop rate is designed to be completely equal to box drop rate. You get 12 key frags (or 4 keys) a month maximum, and because boxes regen at 1/week, you should be getting 4 each month. That's 4 keys and 4 boxes, ergo they should be the exact same price. Please stop whining about about how "free content isn't free enough" and "box drop rate is too low" or "key drop rate is too low". If you have a difference in key and box numbers, YOU are doing something wrong. The system is working perfectly as intended.

That would be correct if not for one thing : getting a S-/S/S+ is rather easy and doesn't even requires you to win the game. If you have 4 chests waiting for you, it's not that hard to drop them all in a dozen games.

The drop rate for keys on the other hand is abysmal for solo players like me, and this is especially aggravated by the fact that you both need to win the game and the decreasing drop-rate for every successful loot, making it a chore to keep up with the crate regen-rate.

MonkeyMadnessOct 28, 20161 votes

I don't have a problem getting 4 keys/month. I do play a lot, but I still usually end up getting all my keys in the first week (2 weeks at worst).

VenomarOct 28, 20163 votes

Or since keys are the exact same price as chests, make them exchangeable.

EmojayOct 28, 20162 votes

Riot wants the big bucks! Rip rune pages

TheSingularityOct 28, 20162 votes

Cos tencent

PhelasOct 28, 20162 votes

You can buy runepages tho?

Just switch show "Tier 3" to "All" in the gameplay section and you're good to go, if i'm right!

EmojayOct 28, 20162 votes

Yes, but the price is... outrageous... and not the Taric kind! Would I rather buy a SINGLE rune page, or TahmKench , or Zyra ? Kinda stupid.

Ben SharpioOct 28, 20162 votes

I have 15 keys for some reason, literally the dumbest thing ever i should be able to convert them to IP or something useful

BergkOct 28, 201616 votes

And I have like 15 chests but no keys. Lol

MonkeyMadnessOct 28, 20162 votes

This is actually pretty hard to do as boxes are "harder" to get than key frags (you must get the S- or better) but this is balanced out by the fact that you need 3 frags for a key. Key and box drop rates are both set at 4 per month. If you have extra of one or the other, it's something that you are doing.

I also have extra boxes (not 15, but still like 3 or 4). This is because I took a hiatus from the game such that I effectively missed a month's worth of keys, but since the boxes are stored, I managed to get them all upon my return. So if you only play a couple games a week, this might happen i suppose, but the intent is that if you play the game regularly (on average 1 or 2 games per day) you will end up with 4 keys and 4 boxes per month on the dot.

theArtifactsOct 28, 20163 votes

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Key and box drop rates are both set at 4 per month.

This is not true. You can earn more than 4 key fragments per month, they just get substantially harder to find (lower drop rate) with each key fragment.

SSJTribeOct 28, 20162 votes

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This is not true. You can earn more than 4 key fragments per month, they just get substantially harder to find (lower drop rate) with each key fragment.

He was saying 4 keys(12 fragments), not just 4 fragments.

MonkeyMadnessOct 28, 20162 votes

It is hard capped at 12 frags (4 full keys). This has been known for some time, and there is no way to get more than 4 keys in a month without buying them.

theArtifactsOct 28, 20162 votes

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It is hard capped at 12 frags (4 full keys). This has been known for some time, and there is no way to get more than 4 keys in a month without buying them.

Do you have a link to where a Rioter said that?

All I have to go on is this: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support/AEJKMwze-no-key-fragments

Which implies that it isn't a hard cap.

MonkeyMadnessOct 28, 20161 votes

You nay say, yet clearly you haven't counted for yourself. I recommend trying this before asking for evidence, as the evidence is rather plain to see.

theArtifactsOct 28, 20162 votes

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You nay say, yet clearly you haven't counted for yourself. I recommend trying this before asking for evidence, as the evidence is rather plain to see.

I say nay because Riot has said that it gets more difficult, not impossible. Just cause drop rate drops to say 5% doesn't mean you can't get one. I'm asking for proof if there is a hard cap.

MonkeyMadnessOct 28, 20161 votes

Key drop rate resets after ~30 days, and myself and other players have counted, and never gotten more than 12 frags (4 keys) per month.

theArtifactsOct 28, 20163 votes

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Key drop rate resets after ~30 days, and myself and other players have counted, and never gotten more than 12 frags (4 keys) per month.

Yes, the key drop rate resets once per month based on the day of the month you first received hextech loot. However just cause you haven't gotten more than 12 key frags does not mean that is the hard cap. It is your opinion, not fact; unless you have Riot confirmation.

Sona PingOct 29, 20161 votes

You are the one who made the claim of it being hardcapped. The onus is on you to demonstrate that, not him.

MonkeyMadnessOct 29, 20161 votes

My evidence is obvious. I and other players have counted it, and it's 12 frags/month. Never more. If you need a Rioter statement to help you count, then this discussion clearly needs to end.

Death by KaynOct 28, 20164 votes

I play a substantial amount and have 11 unopened boxes

MonkeyMadnessOct 28, 20161 votes

Then you must be losing a lot. I'm pretty sure you only get keys from wins (not 100% on that, but based on my experience I believe this is true). Either that or you really don't play as much as you think.

theArtifactsOct 28, 20162 votes

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Then you must be losing a lot. I'm pretty sure you only get keys from wins (not 100% on that, but based on my experience I believe this is true). Either that or you really don't play as much as you think.

Yes. Only wins ~~and only on Summoners Rift (Norms/Ranked 5v5)~~

Zone of EndlessOct 28, 20161 votes

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Yes. Only wins and only on Summoners Rift (Norms/Ranked 5v5)

You can get key fragment on ARAM too.

theArtifactsOct 28, 20161 votes

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You can get key fragment on ARAM too.

This I didn't know, and is accurate! Just can't earn a chest on ARAM.

Umbra IoniaOct 29, 20161 votes

In TT you can get chest and keys too.

RogueWillOct 28, 20161 votes

Well.... you only can play so many champions until you find your pool bottom, for some people is 4 or 5 for some people is 20 or 25 but 28 champions is a third of the total champion pool, very few people can get that many boxes unless they play obscene amount of times or go into groups (since only one needs to get S you can get a chest on a champion you suck as long as your friends get the S for you, even if they already have a chest on that champion) and thats why keys starts to stack the longer the season goes.

MonkeyMadnessOct 28, 20161 votes

Really? You don't have the capacity to pick up a new champ in a non-ranked game and get an S- or better, or even better, play with a friend (if a member of your premade gets S-- or higher, you get a box for your champ)? If you don't have the capacity to learn new champs, then I really don't know what to tell you. I have gotten 4 boxes in 4 games multiple times this season, it really isn't that hard. The fault is with you, learn to play the game, not just a few champs.

RogueWillOct 28, 20161 votes

Gotten 24 boxes so far and is pretty much my limit, that's 24 different champions I'm able to constantly do well and not depend on a lucky game to get the S, I play mostly tanks and there are only so many tanks on league, unfortunately I only have time for 3 to 4 full games per week or around double the ARAMS. That is not enough time to get to learn a champion specially since the games are so apart from each other.

The one trick ponies are doing worse than me, getting usually less than 10 chests.

MonkeyMadnessOct 28, 20161 votes

Well idk what to tell you. I can pick up a champ and get S- or better pretty consistently on my first game, barring external factors (such as a troll normal game). Sometimes it might take me 2 or 3 games to get that S, but I've regularly managed to get 4 boxes in 4 games. If you are struggling with this, then the problem is with your playstyle, not the system.

SanKakUOct 29, 20161 votes

Really? I have 35 chests earned. The only one I didn't get from my own S rank was Kalista's. I own only 50 champs and many of them I bought just because they were cheap.

Sometimes I cheat a little by getting the chest in the rotating game mode...but whatever. I mean cracking the strategy for RGM shows a maturity in strategical understanding...so why not reward the player for it?

SanKakUOct 29, 20161 votes

I've had 8 chests for a while. Just dropped back down to 7 again after getting that last key fragment. Another thing you may have not considered is that playing champions you don't own won't let you get key fragments. If you regularly do so, then your opportunities of getting those key fragments should go down a lot from my own experience I can tell that it is happening that way.

MonkeyMadnessOct 29, 20161 votes

I own all champs so this isn't an issue for me. But not owning champs really isn't an excuse, seeing as how you have the opportunity now to get them for free...

SanKakUOct 29, 20161 votes

The champs I've played that I don't own I haven't had shards for, so you're an idiot.

MonkeyMadnessOct 29, 20161 votes

HA! Hardly, considering I'm getting boxes and key frags at a satisfactory rate and you are not. Get good child.

MonkeyMadnessOct 28, 20161 votes

Ok, if you have 15 keys and no boxes, it's because you are deliberately ignoring the mechanism to get boxes. You must be playing the same pool of 10 champs or so and not deliberately branching out for the purpose of earning boxes. In short, you lack of boxes is on you, and is in no way the fault of the system.

CrazyBear1987Oct 28, 20162 votes

You need one to make use of the other hence their value is the same.

Doesn't matter whats inside the chest it useless with out a key doesn't matter how many keys you have, their useless without a chest to be open with.

Or you can full fill the requirements to get both free in game

Lord GalvatronOct 28, 20162 votes

Technically they should be more expensive because you need to play 3 games for 3 key fragments to open 1 chest.

Supreme Senpai69Oct 28, 20161 votes

I just hate how the key/chest is basically same price as the key AND chest bundle

ZtokaOct 28, 20161 votes

All depends I guess. I have no issue getting free chests. Free keys on the other hand are a different story. I'm not that great but always seem to have several chests sitting there waiting to be opened, just no keys to do it :(

Synnx7Oct 28, 20161 votes

Who the fuck even buys this. Don't EVER buy RP from this incompetent LC$ loving company

Stray KatOct 28, 20161 votes

I dunno, I'm a primarily solo player and I haven't had a single month where I didn't get 4 boxes and 4 keys, through playing 2-3 games per day on average. Wins gets keys, S's get boxes.. It's pretty simple.

SwiftKitten88Oct 28, 20161 votes

has 13 competed keysets...

no chests.... yeah why ARE they the same price... CHESTS should be cheaper...