Is Kalista ever going to be playable again?

RAT IN GAME UwU ·Aug 9, 2016·4 votes·1,554 views

I don't really care about a bunch of whiners saying she was "cancer"

can you please make her autos do 100% instead of 90%, or buff her E again, or SOMETHING that makes her able to actually win a duel without your opponent being 2 divisions lower than you minimum.

no matter what anyone says, she is season 2-4 olaf'd, she has 48% winrate on a good day and is the bottom of the barrel for adc on all stats websites, and you're buffing vayne repeatedly?

I just want another champion in the pool that I can choose again, I'm getting really sick of having to play lucian, sivir, or miss fortune to even have a chance nowadays

13 Comments

Nameless VoiceAug 9, 20162 votes

Hopefully never.

At least until her kit is reworked so that she isn't so toxic to play against if she's ever strong.

Yordle XayahAug 9, 20162 votes

There's champions like Aatrox or Tristana. Champions that haven't been touched in months/years despite them showing signs of struggling because Riot doesn't exactly know how to realize their design at 100%, but they aren't in that bad of a spot.

But then... you have the old Poppy, Yoric, old Eve and Azir to a lesser extent. These are champions that are kept in an over-nerfed state on purpose because how inherently toxic their kits are, so Riot has no idea what to do with them, and if history has taught us anything is that these champs need a partial or full rework to be playable again.

Kalista is part of the second group.

Handy Sandy Aug 9, 20161 votes

Tbh, nobody that plays kalista is using her to her full potential - which is hard. Her whole existence is teamwork, so that's why she's really hard to use and doesn't have a high winrate. I'd put her skill level all the way up there with Orianna really,

or u can just buff her idk i never seen someone play the champ before xD

RAT IN GAME UwU Aug 10, 20161 votes

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Tbh, nobody that plays kalista is using her to her full potential - which is hard. Her whole existence is teamwork, so that's why she's really hard to use and doesn't have a high winrate. I'd put her skill level all the way up there with Orianna really,

or u can just buff her idk i never seen someone play the champ before xD

they need to do one of a few things to make her desirable to play again,

This is a choose one list, not all obviously, if you had all of these things she'd be like release kalista again.

make her autos do 10% more to be the full 100%, Or
Buff her E meaningfully Or
Change her backwards hop to be more distance again (this would make the low tier players still suck with her, and only accentuate the abilities of the higher tier players with good clicking and positioning) Or at a minimum, Buff her movement speed to 335 at least so when she has an attack speed slow on, she can switch from hopping to just running and not be winding up for an attack longer than a morg binding just to hop back a measly 200 units or so

Jaygo41Aug 10, 20161 votes

Well I don't really care about your opinion if you're just going to throw out the huge number of people who rightfully believe that this champion is a complete and utter failure as a design experiment and her release was nothing short of an unmitigated abortion. She is a mistake and doesn't deserve to be a champion. I'm sorry but I simply can't agree with any buff of any kind for this champ at all until a real rework is revealed and her gameplay and core mechanics are made healthy

RAT IN GAME UwU Aug 10, 20161 votes

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Well I don't really care about your opinion if you're just going to throw out the huge number of people who rightfully believe that this champion is a complete and utter failure as a design experiment and her release was nothing short of an unmitigated abortion. She is a mistake and doesn't deserve to be a champion. I'm sorry but I simply can't agree with any buff of any kind for this champ at all until a real rework is revealed and her gameplay and core mechanics are made healthy

can i see the data on the huge number of people? or is this just speculation? I am presenting actual data that can be found on any website that shows her winrate at 48% and her performance numbers as the lowest adc in the role...including quinn and graves and urgot actually.

i didn't ask for you to agree with anything, or even what you thought of my opinion(which isn't an opinion it's actual statistics, but you're a forumgoer so i know you don't know the difference)

Jaygo41Aug 10, 20161 votes

alright, let's discuss statistics then if you wanna go that way 48% by no means is low. there are a LOT of champions that are picked all the time and are very viable which have a 48% win rate. but honestly, whatever statistic you cited is incorrect. her win rate is at 46% right now according to champion.gg. in my opinion, STILL too high for such a horridly designed champ. I think you need to watch a video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN2DHvjs6w4

She is one of the worst offenders of being DEGENERATE. Horrible design leading to poor diversity in the role. AD carry, despite there being a trinity with ashe, jhin, and sivir, has a LOT of diversity. twitch, miss fortune, lucian, ezreal, caitlyn are all viable, strong, and can carry games in the right hands. I'd so much rather have a bunch of different champs being very good at a spot than kalista dictating the bottom lane meta by her very existence.

RAT IN GAME UwU Aug 10, 20161 votes

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alright, let's discuss statistics then if you wanna go that way 48% by no means is low. there are a LOT of champions that are picked all the time and are very viable which have a 48% win rate. but honestly, whatever statistic you cited is incorrect. her win rate is at 46% right now according to champion.gg. in my opinion, STILL too high for such a horridly designed champ. I think you need to watch a video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN2DHvjs6w4

She is one of the worst offenders of being DEGENERATE. Horrible design leading to poor diversity in the role. AD carry, despite there being a trinity with ashe, jhin, and sivir, has a LOT of diversity. twitch, miss fortune, lucian, ezreal, caitlyn are all viable, strong, and can carry games in the right hands. I'd so much rather have a bunch of different champs being very good at a spot than kalista dictating the bottom lane meta by her very existence.

posting opinions, and videos that are also opinions doesn't change the fact that she has a lower winrate than any other champion and needs at least minor buffs to bring her up to a healthy winrate again

her design is what it is, there are ways to fix her to make her playable and not absolutely destructive in LCS, but olafing her for multiple years, which is what i see coming is not a valid solution,

your clear hatred of the champion and extreme bias doesn't help anything, it just lets me know how much you hate Kalista, and trust me, I have never, and will never ask about your opinion of champions. I only deal in facts and statistics.

Jaygo41Aug 10, 20161 votes

her design objectively disqualifies her from being allowed to be good. I don't care about healthy win rates. Win rates are the most overrated stat in the game

if every champ in the game had a 50% win rate, this game would be MAYHEM. it wouldn't stay 50 for long. lee sin would get picked EVERY game. Leblanc and vayne picked EVERY game. These champs need to be kept down because of skillcap and the impact they have on the game if played well. Kalista's automatic kite and ability to constantly stay alive despite dive cause her to be the most impactful AD in the game, combined with her ability to literally throw her support

RAT IN GAME UwU Aug 10, 20161 votes

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her design objectively disqualifies her from being allowed to be good. I don't care about healthy win rates. Win rates are the most overrated stat in the game

if every champ in the game had a 50% win rate, this game would be MAYHEM. it wouldn't stay 50 for long. lee sin would get picked EVERY game. Leblanc and vayne picked EVERY game. These champs need to be kept down because of skillcap and the impact they have on the game if played well. Kalista's automatic kite and ability to constantly stay alive despite dive cause her to be the most impactful AD in the game, combined with her ability to literally throw her support

cool, you are biased and have an unhealthy hatred for a champion that you most likely just never learned to play against, please repeat the same thing over andd over again...

Poop JellyAug 10, 20161 votes

If you like her, play her. She's in a balanced state which means she's usable. If you just wanna wait till the pros and other people do it then it's not really ur own champion then.

RAT IN GAME UwU Aug 10, 20163 votes

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If you like her, play her. She's in a balanced state which means she's usable. If you just wanna wait till the pros and other people do it then it's not really ur own champion then.

she is not in a balanced state, she has one of the lowest winrates in the history of league of legends, not including release week statistics for brand new champions.

saying that if i don't play her when she is unacceptably weak that she is "not for me" provides no logical basis of any sort for why I should play her, it is about as random as talking to me about the color wheel.

Tyrone LannisterAug 10, 20161 votes

They deliberately made her weak without her support so that she couldnt duel. She was good at too things (lane bullying, teamfighting, 1v1, objective control, etc). I hope they do buff her so that she can deal with tanks better.