I feel very restricted by Rune pages

atomicwit·Jul 7, 2015·38 votes·2,557 views

I'd like to have a page vs AD and one vs AP on most of my champs. I also want a more aggro. page (maybe with Hpen + flat runes) and a more passive one (scaling mr., scaling armor etc.). This means that just for one champion, I'd want 4 rune pages.

Sometimes champions even have different styles and so I'd like even more there. There are often unique changes I like for each champion as well. Basically, I feel hampered by having only 20 rune pages considering that I play every role and have a large champion pool.

I see no reason why in 2015 it is so limited. I think it should allow you as many rune pages as you're willing to create or the ability to edit them on-the-fly.

44 Comments

Ancestor007Jul 7, 201514 votes

And a lower price wouldn't hurt anyone

The FusionistJul 7, 20152 votes

I'm pretty sure the higher prices are there to stop smurfs from totally dominating low level players. Not sure i have no source its what i'm assuming

MigrañaboyJul 7, 20154 votes

Smurfs know how cost effective are tier 1 runes anyway. 1/2x stats of a tier 3 for 1/10x the price.

The rune and champion IP system is designed to incentivize the player to buy RP, have some sense of game progress and increase the attachment of the player to his/her account.

ElysMustacheJul 7, 20158 votes

I feel very restricted by the poetic form of a haiku. You just can't do anything with them at all. This is 2015.

Dr BirdieJul 7, 20151 votes

I like that the first sentence there is a haiku.

DarkwindJul 7, 20155 votes

That's pretty close to how I feel as well. I have 12 rune pages for mid lane alone, a flex page I change to probably 10 more mid lane pages, not to mention whatever else I might need. That only leaves me with 7 pages for the rest of the things I do- so I have only ONE ADC page, ONE support page, two pages for top/jungle, and one other page for random other stuff. The final three pages are dedicated to the custom game modes I play.

If rune pages were unlimited, I'd have at least 20 mid pages, 10 top lane pages, 6 ADC pages, three support pages, and 15 jungle pages. Course they could always just let you adjust them in champ select, but then rito wouldn't make money off of it by incentivizing us to purchase more IP/RP things with RP, and only use our IP for IP only purchases...

LadyRenlyJul 7, 20153 votes

Having only 2 rune pages, I am only allowed a generic AD and AP page. It's kinda BS. I wanted to Malz JG, but that had me redo my entire AD page, and then when I didn't get JG, I didn't have time to change it back because I forgot what I had so I had really messed up runes :/

OffMetaSuppMainJul 7, 20151 votes

But if you knew you didnt get jungle then you mustve been in champ select... Where you cant change rune pages... Think youre talking about masteries?

thatANGLERJul 7, 20153 votes

As a relatively new player, runes give me the biggest headache. I want to branch out to different roles and buy new champions, but I can't justify it when they will be naked of proper runes. The IP cost for new pages and tier 3 runes is crippling. It forces me to just continue to play the same type of champion (engage, tanky sup, for example) so that I'm not at a disadvantage and painfully chip away at runes when I'd much rather be expanding my champion pool.

edit: To expand even more on this, I even decided to refund a champion I recently bought to get 6300 IP back so that I could afford more runes. Assuming Riot is in the business of making money, this is counterintuitive considering that one of their prime incomes must be from selling skins. I buy skins. But I won't be buying skins for champions of which I do not own for the aforementioned reasons.

SoMNiaJul 7, 20152 votes

Same. I still only have the 2 starter pages. The next 18 will cost me 113,400 IP. I could spend all of my free time for a year on LoL and I MIGHT have enough for that. I still have to choose between a new champion or a few runes over the course of several weeks. It's sad.

dr lichdeathJul 7, 20151 votes

dont forget the double page events thats how i got mine

OffMetaSuppMainJul 7, 20152 votes

I play league about 2-3 hours a day after work. I have been playing for ~3 years and I have all the champs and most of the runes and 17 rune pages. Its not that hard to farm IP, I average about 1000-1500 IP per day (3-4 ranked games and maybe 1-2 ARAM if I have time.) I dont understand why people complain about IP when you get 300+ just for your first win each day.

SoMNiaJul 7, 20152 votes

That...is the exact opposite of a counterargument. Are you kidding me? You think 2-3 hours a day for 3 years is a reasonable amount of time to require for that? That's obscene. Completely unfair. And I don't even play ranked, so that really doesn't help me. FFS. You want me to dump over 2000 hours into this game for some runes and pages so I can START to play the way I want? Ugh. I get maybe a quarter of the IP per day that you do. "It's not that hard"? I call BS.

Also, your math seems off. If your first win is 300 IP, that means your 4 ranked games plus your first win bonus are 750 IF YOU WIN ALL OF THEM. Even you should be looking at 1k per day at the HIGH end, and probably significantly less than that. So I think I get closer to 1/3 or half of your daily IP. At this rate, I could've played since the game launched and still not gotten to where you are.

OffMetaSuppMainJul 7, 20151 votes

Well you cant demand a free to play game gives everything that you want to you for nothing. There has to be some sort of investment on your part. And Im not saying that I spent ALL the IP on runes that I have gotten over the years. MOST of it went to the 125 champs I own. But you cant complain that a free to play game gives you an in-game currency that isnt as effecient as real-money currency. Youre lucky they give an in-game currency at all. If you dont have 2000 hours to play, then dont play 2000 hours, just dont complain when you fall behind.

SoMNiaJul 7, 20152 votes

I buy skins. I pay for content. I'm insulted by the suggestion that I should pay money to not farm, and annoyed that the game is so farm-heavy that anyone would think it's reasonable to suggest that.

OffMetaSuppMainJul 7, 20151 votes

When did I suggest paying for anything? I said dont get mad that the in-game currency is not worth as much as the paid currency. If you dont want to farm then dont. Just dont complain that you dont have as much as other people who do put in the time and effort.

SoMNiaJul 7, 20152 votes

The time requirement is unreasonable. The fact that some people are willing to put in that time doesn't make it more reasonable, and it doesn't mean I can't criticize it. I WILL complain, thank you very much.

OffMetaSuppMainJul 7, 20151 votes

Reasonable-ness is completely opinion based. I believe that a game I love and have devoted a large amount of time in is reasonably worth over 2000 hours of my life. If you dont then thats fine. But im not sitting here bitching about something because "I want the same thing that guy has even though I havent worked for it." Btw, happy 5th birthday, want some IP?

SoMNiaJul 7, 20151 votes

And yet, there you sit, asserting that your opinion is objectively superior to mine, and implying that it's immature of me to have one that differs from yours. And this is simply because...I value my time more than you value yours? If that's all you have to say...then I won't spend any more time on YOU. Goodbye.

OffMetaSuppMainJul 8, 20151 votes

Lol cool. I win.

Btw, have some upvotes, seems like you need em ;P

LlaniteJul 8, 20151 votes

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As a relatively new player, runes give me the biggest headache. I want to branch out to different roles and buy new champions, but I can't justify it when they will be naked of proper runes. The IP cost for new pages and tier 3 runes is crippling. It forces me to just continue to play the same type of champion (engage, tanky sup, for example) so that I'm not at a disadvantage and painfully chip away at runes when I'd much rather be expanding my champion pool.

edit: To expand even more on this, I even decided to refund a champion I recently bought to get 6300 IP back so that I could afford more runes. Assuming Riot is in the business of making money, this is counterintuitive considering that one of their prime incomes must be from selling skins. I buy skins. But I won't be buying skins for champions of which I do not own for the aforementioned reasons.

Their primary income is from selling champions. Otherwise they would prioritize rework over making new champs who have exactly 1 skin to sell.

DehornJul 7, 20152 votes

they could easily make the rune page system exactly like the mastery page system. but they like your time and money.

Silents429Jul 7, 20152 votes

I am about 80% sure you don't need more then 20 pages. I think at that point you are just wasting slots for slight gameplay adjustments you'll rarely use.

DeliothJul 9, 20151 votes

Well, okay- here's a little bit of math. There are 4 kinds of runes- marks, seals, glyphs, and quints. We'll assume that I never want to split up my runes, so each category is all the same kind (9 attack speed marks, 9 hybrid pen marks, &c.)

Just for ADC marks, I could use Attack speed (scaling or flat), attack damage(scaling or flat), crit chance, crit damage, physical pen, or hybrid pen (If I'm Miss Fortune or another hybrid damage carry). That's 8 options ADC again, but this time seals- I could use armor to mitigate the enemy adc to help with trades (Scaling or flat), health (same reason, but ubiquitous)(flat, scaling, and % don't get % if you're not tanking.), or health regen to stay in lane after trades (flat or scaling). That's 6 options. At this point, even ignoring glyphs and quints altogether, ADC rune pages have (86=) 48 options of combinations for seals and marks. Multiply that again by glyphs- flat/scaling mana, flat/scaling mana regen, flat/scaling magic resist (486=288 combinations) And again by possible quints- Armor/scaling, AD/scaling, armorPen, Attack speed/scaling, Health/scaling, Life steal, hybrid pen. Another 11 options, shooting up the possible combinations for ADC rune pages to a whopping (288*11=) 3168 combinations! That doesn't include any runes that only a tank or apc would want, nor does it include some more niche things, like gp/10, movespeed quints, %max hp seals/quints, crit damage seals/glyphs, crit chance seals/glyphs. It also doesn't include some of the cheeky things like putting in 1 crit chance mark and similar things.

Even if you want to cut it in half to get rid of scaling or flat, that's still over a thousand different pages just for ADC's. Take out hybrid pen too! It's still over a thousand.

20 is pretty limiting when you've got some context.

KilljoyXJul 7, 20152 votes

I feel restricted by chat restrictions.

Luigi ShrekJul 7, 20151 votes

I'm on the fence when it comes to runes.

I hate how expensive they are, but I love that flexibility they give your champion. Experimenting with hp5 vs lifesteal vs a mix of both can really make a huge difference in lane and in the jungle. :)

NorthernDruidJul 7, 20151 votes

I dunno, I feel like it's a lot easier to create rune pages suiting multiple champions than it is to create mastery pages for multiple champions.

Not that the cap for both shouldn't be expanded.

I feel like doubling the amount of mastery pages would be great.

And cutting the price of runes and rune pages in half.

commit an heroJul 7, 20151 votes

I think it's kind of dumb that to play at the most effective level of your champion you must dump thousands of IP to be the best.

OffMetaSuppMainJul 7, 20151 votes

You have to dump thousands of IP to be able to even remotely achieve anywhere near the best. But that still doesnt guarantee anything.

TotalJerkJul 7, 20151 votes

Long time players have complained about the lack of an IP sink. How about we just remove the rune page cap?

XonraJul 7, 20152 votes

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Long time players have complained about the lack of an IP sink. How about we just remove the rune page cap?

Is true, I tend to rarely fall below 40k IP, because what is there to spend it on?

When you have all the champs and the few other things you spend ip on, what is the point of gathering IP at all, except to buy the newest champ again, then have the same amount in a few days.

Caster CreepJul 7, 20151 votes

Just wait till you are like me with 20 pages, a ton of runes, (almost all of them).

Trust me it only sucks for a little while. Also i bought all my pages with IP except for the third which i bought with rp when i started

TheJinxedOneJul 7, 20151 votes

i feel restircted by my 1 ap and 1 ad rune page....

GłacıesJul 7, 20151 votes

Or at least bring down the price. 6300, is a bit too much, I think. I don't mind having to buy them, but if I have to chose between a champ I want or a rune page, I'd go with the champ. You can rearrange the runes and make due, but it is a pain.

Valhalla RisingJul 7, 20151 votes

rito makes too much money from people buying ip boosts just to fill their rune pages and buy additional pages.

moral of the story, rito has no morals.

Valhalla RisingJul 7, 20151 votes

I agree with OP so much I have to comment twice... rito plz...

XonraJul 7, 20151 votes

I've had to resort to overlapping pages, which is very annoying.

When you play top, there are huge differences between Gangplank Garen Gnar Maokai and Nautilus

ADC can be fairly static to an extent, but you still have different playstyles like more poking and such with Corki compared to a more aggressive style with more auto attacking with Vayne

You start to quickly run out of pages before you even get to the 5th role, and sometimes the 4th.

Riot needs to figure a better way, because while some people can only mid, or adc, maybe two, there are those of us who might play 4, and can flex into a 5th if we have to.

With the champion variety, there is no need for rune pages to be so limiting, especially since you can't change them in champ select like you can with mastery pages. Hell I could just make a new mastery page every match and I'd be fine, but I don't have that option with Rune, so they tend to either be generic, or I don't have enough to cover everything.

Stróc DúnmharúJul 7, 20151 votes

I think letting us change rune pages in champion select would be good too.

FunkmasterFunkJul 7, 20151 votes

I've been playing for over a year and I still only have two rune pages (generic AP and generic AD) because the price is too high to waste the IP on when I'd have much more fun getting a new champ and learning a totally new kit. Not to mention that after you buy the page, your have to dump ridiculous amounts of gold to get the desired runes. So, until they make changes to the rune pricing I'll just continue to have shitty runes and make due.

CoolKnightSTJul 7, 20151 votes

I agreed, I now have all 20 runepage & for some reason it still feels short:

AP (4): default, ori, top (armor seals), cdr
AD (3): default, adc, irelia
SUP (8): agro, tank, morgana, karma, zyra, sona, janna, nami
JUN (5): amumu, naut/nunu, gragas/sej, j4, xin

For example for maokai top I'm still using gragas/sej runes (yeah asp marks). So basicly I currently fall short if I want to play a tank in the toplane. Offcourse you can give agruments to reduce the amount of support pages. But honnestly the agro, tank & morgana runepage are a must have. The karma is more for countering a morgana lane so the only thing that is left is zyra what is a champion I like to play. And when it comes to janna in this meta it's kinda also a must have since I focus on support. Than it's a decision between sona & nami. And I fear their will be a day I have to forget these two.

In reality you can go into game with the mindset I play what's best for this comp since mostly you already are bound to the cards you have.

TwitchInMyPantsJul 8, 20151 votes

Riot won't ever rework it no matter how hard we all complain because:

Runes = Several 6300 champs of IP wasted to keep even with opponents
IP sink = no money for new champ
No money on release for champ I want? I guess I'll buy RP

This has been the business strategy for a very long time and it's been paying off for them. If you want runes to be changed you'd need to abandon league on mass because so far there's no incentive for riot to stop doing things the way they've been for years.

GorgannanJul 8, 20151 votes

Honestly, they should just remove all runes and buff base stats. I get the customizable little bonuses, but Riot's all about no stat balls and making it about counter play not counter build. Hell, they increase masteries by x2 and give us extra points, but I hate runes.