Top lane Powercreep, that even the so called overbuffed champion "Nasus" can't deal with them

taleofsonata·Mar 12, 2019·16 votes·9,254 views

Overly buffed champions, synergizing with over the top itemization, overpowered keystones.

Any of those champions would be considered tanky Assassins with the level of damage they ditch out in so little time. Even Nasus, who is seriously overly buffed can't fight them. That's how broken the balance have been for top lane this Season. Just Nerf everything already.

Nerf the current broken ones ( ) , then nerf the sleepers op that have been under the radar all these times. (I'm looking at you )

30 Comments

kingDeDeDariusMar 12, 20199 votes

I'm just going to venture you're referring to champs like Jax and riven with SoS

Z3SleeperMar 12, 201912 votes

That’s what I’m getting out of it + Kled.

Spear of Shojin was just a failed expirament that needs to be removed.

Windows of weakness exist for a reason and Spear of Shojin completely removes them.

SaiannaMar 12, 20192 votes

It's not just SoS that makes them strong but keystones aswell. Even nerfed conqueror adds in to their strength. Riven for example should have had any early lifesteal and her hp regen was close to 0. And conqueror fixed that little weakness she had.

Secretly a PhosMar 13, 20191 votes

Uhh all runes are supposed to add to their strength. Conqueror takes much longer to proc now and does half the damage. By all rights it SHOULD work well on at least some top laners. Shojin, on the other hand, is a bit much, especially considering the already immense burst she has. Auto spam and auto spam reduces your cooldowns is definitely too much, especially on Riven, Jax, and Fiora. Old shojin would have been fair, if perhaps in need of a small nerd, but it makes more sense then just giving toplaners old ER.

taleofsonataMar 13, 20191 votes

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Uhh all runes are supposed to add to their strength. Conqueror takes much longer to proc now and does half the damage. By all rights it SHOULD work well on at least some top laners. Shojin, on the other hand, is a bit much, especially considering the already immense burst she has. Auto spam and auto spam reduces your cooldowns is definitely too much, especially on Riven, Jax, and Fiora. Old shojin would have been fair, if perhaps in need of a small nerd, but it makes more sense then just giving toplaners old ER.

Conquerors, STAYS FOR 8 SEC, 8 fucking secs. THATS ALOT, most of their damage can be done in 1.5 secs and is over 4k damage. Tank can only have about 4k hp per matches, conqueror is way too strong and it doesn't matter how time it gets nerfed because it needs to be removed anyway.

Moody PMar 12, 20196 votes

Are you gonna tell me who they are?

taleofsonataMar 12, 20195 votes

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Are you gonna tell me who they are?

Do I need to? I can just type on op.gg. https://na.op.gg/champion/statistics Everyone knows top lane is overpowered right now. Can go any site and type on op.gg

Moody PMar 12, 20199 votes

top lane isn't overpowered because a small handful of champions are lul

taleofsonataMar 12, 20192 votes

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top lane isn't overpowered because a small handful of champions are lul

With pick rates of over 8%? Yea ok...

Anime FizzMar 12, 20193 votes

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With pick rates of over 8%? Yea ok...

If you nerf jax nad riven then top lane is going to become a minion like role.

Its the few champs that are still able to somewhat carry a solo lane from top lane, all thats left after that is ranged cheese and tanks.

Minimac2000Mar 12, 20191 votes

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If you nerf jax nad riven then top lane is going to become a minion like role.

Its the few champs that are still able to somewhat carry a solo lane from top lane, all thats left after that is ranged cheese and tanks.

No one plays tanks anymore, so no all that's left is Vayne and Neeko

GlaricionMar 13, 20193 votes

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If you nerf jax nad riven then top lane is going to become a minion like role.

Its the few champs that are still able to somewhat carry a solo lane from top lane, all thats left after that is ranged cheese and tanks.

Oh god, is it time for the return of Rumble?

Rumble in the Jungle, Rumble on top, no matter what, his ult you can't stop, gooooo Rumble!

Missed me missed me, now get decked by Tristy!

Flamin', your teammates you'll soon be blamin', against Rumble you can't bear lanin'!

The SkáldMar 13, 20191 votes

So they need balance top lane champions, instead of gutting some down and making some broken, right?

Secretly a PhosMar 13, 20191 votes

People don't pick champions solely because they're op you know. Some people play games for fun.

taleofsonataMar 13, 20192 votes

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People don't pick champions solely because they're op you know. Some people play games for fun.

People only pick melee top because they are broken, if you want to have fun you play a ranged top lane. Why? Because you can bully the melee top laner and make them ragequit in all chat. Nobody picks trundle and goes, I think trundle is a fun champion dealing with Kennen.

Critmaster GarenMar 13, 20191 votes

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With pick rates of over 8%? Yea ok...

so dumpster vayne then? she has higher winrate and pickrate than riven.

fine with me. jinx too.

xDogMeatxMar 12, 20192 votes

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Do I need to? I can just type on op.gg. https://na.op.gg/champion/statistics Everyone knows top lane is overpowered right now. Can go any site and type on op.gg

now overpowered its just anti fun

SuperTopLFBottomMar 12, 20193 votes

Jax is an int pick. As is kled.

What else do you want to nerf about toplane bruisers? What the fuck is this community. Nerfed the items. Reworked the rune. Triple nerfed the rune. Buffed tanks. Like. What.

Toplane top tier: Vladimir, jayce, riven.

ThefrostyvikingMar 12, 20192 votes

Different elo´s, Jax is outright busted in plati and downwards, and some people are saying that Kled might be a sleeper as well, meanwhile Diamond feels that vlad is the scourge of the century.

z63XnLCMwXMar 12, 20191 votes

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Different elo´s, Jax is outright busted in plati and downwards, and some people are saying that Kled might be a sleeper as well, meanwhile Diamond feels that vlad is the scourge of the century.

I disagree, vlad is disgusting in silver as well. Hes on my current patch permanently ban list. I'd rather deal with max than vlad

WolfAchillesMar 13, 20192 votes

i started playing vlad top in ranked with no prior experience on him every time i picked top first and had a 60% winrate on him my first 15 and i keep that above 50 hardly even trying. vlad is stupidly strong. This was ~plat mmr btw but my account was mid gold

SucctionMar 13, 20191 votes

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i started playing vlad top in ranked with no prior experience on him every time i picked top first and had a 60% winrate on him my first 15 and i keep that above 50 hardly even trying. vlad is stupidly strong. This was ~plat mmr btw but my account was mid gold

Considering the mastery curves that were released by Riot, you're either very lucky, lying, or much better than all your opponents. From memory, Riot Blaustoise showed the top 9 champions with the greatest disparity between games played and winrate, and Vladimir was like 4th.

ThefrostyvikingMar 13, 20191 votes

Mastery curves go out the window depending on situation, factors like matchup, item synergy and even a champs state can directly cut those curves into a flat line as long as you are somewhat experienced playing other champs.

I personally think playing vlad is fairly easy, i wont do great on him but i wont die unless really collapsed on and abusing someone with less skill is pretty easy on him, teamfighting is also not too complicated at all.

However that also means that my effectiveness is limited to external things like if the matchups, items and runes on him are good at the moment, i´d suck terribly hard if he wasnt in a good spot when playing him.

Which is why i just stick to playing my own preferred picks to ensure i always have something i can play,,,,,,but it wont stop me from being envious of the long time vlad mains having a good time :P

SucctionMar 13, 20191 votes

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I disagree, vlad is disgusting in silver as well. Hes on my current patch permanently ban list. I'd rather deal with max than vlad

Actually, Vlad has a 46% winrate in silver. You're wrong.

z63XnLCMwXMar 13, 20192 votes

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Actually, Vlad has a 46% winrate in silver. You're wrong.

Him having a low win-rate has nothing to do with it being unfun playing against him.

Edit and you're wrong. He has a 49.09% wr in silver. https://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

taleofsonataMar 13, 20192 votes

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Him having a low win-rate has nothing to do with it being unfun playing against him.

Edit and you're wrong. He has a 49.09% wr in silver. https://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

Unfun =/= Broken, Vladimir is unfun to play against I agree, but he is fun to play as.

SucctionMar 14, 20191 votes

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Him having a low win-rate has nothing to do with it being unfun playing against him.

Edit and you're wrong. He has a 49.09% wr in silver. https://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

Either it jumped 3% in a day or I misclicked "bronze" instead of silver. That's more likely the case. Either way, he's still not good at that rank.

Only reason he doesn't have a worse winrate is because nobody can close games.

PlsBuffMyMainMar 13, 20193 votes

I agree, bruisers are insanely overpowered, they have assassin levels of burst and tank levels of survivability. Why play an assassin when you can oneshot people as a bruiser and have 3.5k hp while doing it.

AlzonMar 12, 20191 votes

Juggernaut with juggernaut problems.

Secretly a PhosMar 13, 20191 votes

This is the same lane that got it's main rune reworked and then nerfed thrice. Conqueror does half it's old damage and takes much longer to proceed now. And as for Jax Riven and Kled being op? Jax is easy if you aren't an immobile adc because you can burst him straight through the spin and Dodge his stun. Riven is annoying, but it's been outright said that if she gets any stronger she's getting a nerf. And Kled isn't that strong per se, it's merely that he's very annoying in some matchups with his hook and his mobility.