Pyke is too much.

Hot LeBlanc Yuri··6 votes·1,172 views

Nerf pykes sustain, one assassin shouldn't have: A resourceless heal that has no cooldown, or counterplay. Instant movement speed boost and invisibility, Hard cc with atrocious hitboxes. And a fucking mid range execute that resets AND has even more atrocious hitboxes. I rarely see a good pyke die in lane because of the braindead bullshit heal. You poke him, hes at 20% hp? Nah, fuck you he's been gone for 10 seconds and how hes back up full while you wasted mana and probably also took damage.

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JuiceBoxP3 votes

You forget some things...

pyke has very low damage on his own. unless you are really low, pyke won't kill you alone. Any assassin can 100-0 any squishy at any point of the game... except pyke. Pyke's average damage is ~9k which is really laughable.

He can't build HP. What you see is what you get. Being a squishy diver you're gonna need sustain and CC. Once you cc pyke in a fight, he's as dead as your adc.

Gated by relatively long cooldowns and average mana costs... yeah...

He is high skillcap. The amount of pykes i see that are downright garbage is HUGE.

100% of his damage can be negated by the move command. Learn to side step.

Best way to counter a champion is to play it.

ContDeCaterinca15 votes

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He is high skillcap. The amount of pykes i see that are downright garbage is HUGE.

You know how many times I have seen or faced bad Pykes who missed everything whole match and still succeed? If I messed up so many times on other supports as some of those players I would be 0/4 at 10 mins, but with Pyke you win every trade and just run away if you don't.

Karma, I land 70-80% on my Qs on him, can't even force him out of lane once, he misses every single hook for 10 mins straight, gets 1 hook after 6, kills my ADC, then me.

Let him counter a fair bit of the support roster just by existing, even if the player is bad with him, like where is the balance in that?

JuiceBoxP3 votes

Really, your argument settles down to "i don't know how to punish a pyke that fails" there's really nothing more to it.. I usually take bard into pyke because bard has a lot mobility, sustain and a lot of poke and can punish pyke hard when he screws up.

I main both pyke and bard for that matter. pyke is a good champ, no doubt... but, As i said, play a champion to understand his weaknesses. Pyke has a lot.

ContDeCaterinca13 votes

I am sorry man, but you are just biased. You tell me to punish him, but I can punish almost every support except Pyke, you know why? Cuz he has 2 mobility spells, one being a dash that doesn't allow you to chase him or you get stunned. If you main Pyke you don't understand it from my side of the match-up.

The one champion I managed to stomp Pyke with was Nautilus, cuz you know, big hook, into root, into a slow, I can like hold him there for a while so my ADC can get involved.

Leona, Alistar, no chance, Enchanters/Mages, well they can't poke him out of lane and 1 single hook is almost always a death sentance. Braum/Rakan are so-so, never a certainty. Now who's left, I guess I could try Blitz or Thresh.

JuiceBoxP1 votes

You know morgana is like his biggest counter, yeah? Btw i am not biased. I have beaten pyke almost every time even before i mained him. He is easy to counter. the move command counters him.

Ahri Baka2 votes

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You know how many times I have seen or faced bad Pykes who missed everything whole match and still succeed? If I messed up so many times on other supports as some of those players I would be 0/4 at 10 mins, but with Pyke you win every trade and just run away if you don't.

Karma, I land 70-80% on my Qs on him, can't even force him out of lane once, he misses every single hook for 10 mins straight, gets 1 hook after 6, kills my ADC, then me.

Let him counter a fair bit of the support roster just by existing, even if the player is bad with him, like where is the balance in that?

True , Pyke is that champion that misses his Q , uses E to gap close , few autos from him , few autos from his adc then Presses R he can use his Q in melee range for more dmg instead of just missing whenever he fucks him , just presses the W outplay button

Ahri Baka3 votes

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You forget some things...

pyke has very low damage on his own. unless you are really low, pyke won't kill you alone. Any assassin can 100-0 any squishy at any point of the game... except pyke. Pyke's average damage is ~9k which is really laughable.

He can't build HP. What you see is what you get. Being a squishy diver you're gonna need sustain and CC. Once you cc pyke in a fight, he's as dead as your adc.

Gated by relatively long cooldowns and average mana costs... yeah...

He is high skillcap. The amount of pykes i see that are downright garbage is HUGE.

100% of his damage can be negated by the move command. Learn to side step.

Best way to counter a champion is to play it.

Not really lol , with 1 item he can 1v1 any carry actually

Hotarµ3 votes

A resourceless heal that has no cooldown, or counterplay.

The counterplay is that he dies faster than any other champion in the game when caught out. Hit him with any form of hard CC and he crumbles immediately because he can almost never build any form of tenacity, armor, or MR without severely gimping his damage output.

If he takes Aftershock (which seems to be getting less popular over time) bait it out as it's on a very long cooldown.

Instant movement speed boost and invisibility,

Yeah, it's a movespeed boost with invisibility.

I don't see why that's a problem considering he can't build any form of resistances or health, so if his E is down and you're next to him, he's dead whether he uses W or not.

Hard cc with atrocious hitboxes.

His Q hitbox is one of the best out of all the hook champions and I've very rarely (if ever) landed a hook that was undeserved. His ultimate hitbox is super tight and it's nearly impossible to find an example of it hitting when it shouldn't have.

The only thing I will agree to is that his E hitbox has a wide circular hitbox at the beginning of his phantom. I've hit people who were right next to the phantom but not in the path of the ability itself, that could probably be tweaked a bit.

And a fucking mid range execute that resets AND has even more atrocious hitboxes.

At most, Pyke's execute threshold will reach about 800-950 if he's got max lethality and a very healthy amount of AD.

It sounds like a lot on the surface but it's actually not that bad as his ultimate's got a delay and the hitbox is tight, meaning anyone with a heal, blink, dash, stasis, or vanish to counter it. _A 600g Stopwatch alone can shut down his ultimate and remove him from one teamfight altogether. _

Add that to the fact that you can build health and his ultimate threshold becomes much less of a threat.

I rarely see a good pyke die in lane because of the braindead bullshit heal.

You rarely see a Pyke die in lane because you're not supposed to focus him in lane. He has no heals or shields and his CC is telegraphed meaning you can ignore him as long as you play it right. If someone engages on my ADC and wins the trade, they're staying at that health until they back or unless they have lifesteal.

You poke him, hes at 20% hp? Nah, fuck you he's been gone for 10 seconds and how hes back up full while you wasted mana and probably also took damage.

  1. No, he isn't regening that much health that early. Late game he regens about 70-80% of the damage he takes but it's still up to a cap, you're still chipping away at his health.

  2. When he's gone, focus his ADC for the reasons listed above in the "braindead bullshit heal" comment.

Jonesybones3 votes

pyke is pretty toxic

Chotha2 votes

Pyke is balanced. Strengths, weaknesses, utility, limitation, coke, pepsi, the whole 9. He just needs a pool party skin.

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