Can we do something about creep block

Hot LeBlanc Yuri··111 votes·18,845 views

Its the most unfair, rng, infuriating aspect of the game. I have never seen a creep block that didnt look like complete bullshit, 99% of the time the minions just agro in a random order and from a fucking unbreakable testudo formation disallowing me to do anything other than wiggle back and forward while my character tries to get over the pathing error

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Glaricion34 votes

Ain't nothing like your character rapidly rotating 180* repeatedly over 3s while you're being ganked because two minions or a caddy was in the way.

The E771 votes

my favorite is when you are tower diving someone, and then juuuuuuust as you are about to leave the tower range, 3 minions will just walk infront of you for no reason, making your character spaz out and walks backwards into tower range again to die, legit the most bs thing ever, get a good clean tower dive off, live with little hp coz ur not a tank and then die coz of stupid RNG, if kassadin and fizz who have like 5 dashes can be immune to creep block, why is it that champs like darius and alistar just get a big middle finger? whats that? u tower dive with ali ult, okay well a good ali will wait till he has 1 tower shot left of hp so his team can keep going, oh rng minions blocked him and he died, whats that u wana get anywhere near this ranged toplaner? good luck with your own minions and the enemy minions constantly lee sin ulting u 5 times before ur even in flash range

Zane Zephyr20 votes

I'm perfectly fine with enemy minions blocking me but ally minion block needs to go. It's so aggravating playing a melee champ and seeing your minions switch aggro and when you try to move to finish a minion off you get blocked by your own minions and miss it. On the flipside of that, if you try to stand outside the creep wave to avoid the minion block altogether, then you open yourself up to getting hit by skillshots and everything else. So it feels like a lose-lose situation most of the time and just feels really bad.

funkdubious215 votes

I wouldn't mind getting rid of minion blockages. The champions are twice the size of minions... they should be able to just step over them.

Minion blockages have several times been the reason someone lands a skill shot on me... the damn minions wont get out of the way for me to dodge.

Josh Sand1 votes

Either that or a champion shoves friendly minions out of the way. It makes more sense that the bigger unit displaces smaller friendly units.

If Darius can execute other champions with authority, he sure as shit shouldn't be forced to repath on account of some tiny little minions.

SweedishGunner13 votes

Would be nice if minion AI could be looked at too, the amount of times a cannon makes a full 180 turn just to last hit a minion away from me is insane.

Hypochondria911 votes

Just like the death recap, minion blocking will never be fixed because of the spaghetti code.

Sageace11 votes

I believe there should be Creep Block, but only caused by Enemy Minions. Allied minions need to learn to GTF out of the way, not the other way around.

ModAcademy Kayn9 votes

It's unfortunately a nessecary evil, where you kinda need Creep Block to be a thing, else folk would be able to constantly hide within the minion wave, and champions like Blitzcrank or a lot of mages are fucked because they can't hit their key set-up ability for their kit. You'd need to either also allow said abilities to go through minions, or adjust in other places.

Or if it was possible, be able to detect when the character is stuck/'wiggling' and temporarily release it for a moment to free you, but I dunno how hard that'd be to do.

Just the Lip15 votes

[{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WuTqtLI6,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-05-06T17:25:47.600+0000)

you kinda need Creep Block

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8kBzVQjXhg

No, we dont need this...

U R Good At Game4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WuTqtLI6,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-05-06T17:25:47.600+0000)

It's unfortunately a nessecary evil, where you kinda need Creep Block to be a thing, else folk would be able to constantly hide within the minion wave, and champions like Blitzcrank or a lot of mages are fucked because they can't hit their key set-up ability for their kit. You'd need to either also allow said abilities to go through minions, or adjust in other places.

Champions have bigger hitboxes than minions, if a champion was inside of a minion the champion should be hit. I don't recall the old PD making mages useless and it let everyone who built it walk through minions and it was a pretty popular item.

Votable Jester2 votes

The point where it matters is in the laning phase, a point when nobody has PD built. Later on waves can be killed very quickly to expose the player, but early on hiding in a minion wave would be incredibly effective for avoiding harass/engage against some champions (such as Blitz).

U R Good At Game1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Votable Jester,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WuTqtLI6,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2019-05-06T20:26:30.528+0000)

The point where it matters is in the laning phase, a point when nobody has PD built. Later on waves can be killed very quickly to expose the player, but early on hiding in a minion wave would be incredibly effective for avoiding harass/engage against some champions (such as Blitz).

I'm not really sure bot (w/ blitz) is a good example of your point. The majority of bot / supp combinations are ranged so its kinda irrelevant because they should be up on or in the wave anyway. Even tank supports don't really position (or shouldnt position like that ) in a way for creep block to be helpful for blitz.

Votable Jester1 votes

Ok let's look at a matchup. We have Ashe Morgana against Caitlyn Alistar. Do you not think that Ali will sit in the middle of the wave? He'd avoid Ashe W and Morg Q which is pretty much all their poke while being able to apply the threat of his WQ combo. Caitlyn can easily back him up there with traps, and even if ganked the Ali could walk away through the wave while the enemy has to walk around traps.

U R Good At Game1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Votable Jester,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WuTqtLI6,comment-id=00060001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-07T23:40:41.103+0000)

Ok let's look at a matchup. We have Ashe Morgana against Caitlyn Alistar. Do you not think that Ali will sit in the middle of the wave? He'd avoid Ashe W and Morg Q which is pretty much all their poke while being able to apply the threat of his WQ combo. Caitlyn can easily back him up there with traps, and even if ganked the Ali could walk away through the wave while the enemy has to walk around traps.

Alistar's hitbox extends past the minion's hitbox he is in easily. Unless for some forsaken reason you have 12 melee minions stacked up in a circle there isn't a point where alistar can be inside a melee minion and not have his hitbox exposed through the minion.

Soul Dealer5 votes

Enemy minion creepblock is ok imo but when I get killed because my own minions creep block me it’s kinda unfair.

Pupp4 votes

My champion should be able to kick those minions around, they're less than half their height. Maybe some sort of push mechanic after a second of getting blocked? It seems like most of the time creep block is just 3 minions spazzing with me until I die under tower or get caught.

Captainn Ginyu4 votes

or at the very leasy get rid of allied minion blocking

ExplodingFist663 votes

remove creep block, what's the point of it anyway

ZephyrDrake3 votes

Remove creep block and poke champions instantly become completely useless since you can just go behind your minions with no effort preventing any poke being done to you. Creep block is actually a huge part of how the laning is played. It limits your playing field making you be more aware of your surroundings. It makes the enemy try to attempt and control your movements and force you into an unfavorable position.

Warpes2 votes

riot wants it to be bullshit and infuriating because they simply want players to suffer. god knows why this is

GoldsmithSmarty2 votes

I absolutely agree. It drives me insane, especially when it prevents me from last hitting a canon minion.

PhDs Nuts2 votes

If they can't fix creep block they should at least fix minion aggro. Too often an enemy minion will just randomly decide to walk all the way around my minion wave into turret range and completely fuck up my freeze or CSing.

xAcidik2 votes

Please dear God give everyone Fizz passive.

Bultz1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hot LeBlanc Yuri,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WuTqtLI6,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-06T14:18:55.546+0000)

Its the most unfair, rng, infuriating aspect of the game. I have never seen a creep block that didnt look like complete bullshit, 99% of the time the minions just agro in a random order and from a fucking unbreakable testudo formation disallowing me to do anything other than wiggle back and forward while my character tries to get over the pathing error

my biggest issue is that it doesn't affect all champions, mostly melee champions because ranged aren't ever affected or agroed.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

Last time Riot tried to fix this is just made it worse, I'd rather deal with the evil we know that any evil we don't.

Icy Hot Shoto1 votes

If they could make a way so it doesn't trap you between two minions, I'm all for minion block being adjusted.

I can agree that minions should have some block to them, just so we don't end up having to have Blitz, Thresh, and Pyke having point-and-click grabs to be viable. But it doesn't need to be as bad as it is. I've gotten stuck between two minions for no reason, I've gotten stuck in minions that formed a wall behind me while we were hitting the enemy inhib/nexus, I've seen teammates get stuck in minions for no reason other than a minion stopped to auto attack another minion and trapped my teammate against another minion.

But I feel Riot wont change it because then Fizz wont be the only one who can't get stuck in minions anymore. Or they'll "fix" it and just make it worse.

Elemental Lux1 votes

Riot has answered so many posts on the boards and no one seems to remember why things like creep block exist

The Bad Touch1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Elemental Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WuTqtLI6,comment-id=001c,timestamp=2019-05-07T00:49:24.595+0000)

Riot has answered so many posts on the boards and no one seems to remember why things like creep block exist

Because they are too fucking terrible at coding to separate pathing collision hitboxes from ability hitboxes?

Riot is a multi billion dollar company.... and they are too cheap to hire coders to fix a simple thing like that.

DeusVult1 votes

In regards to minion block, a lot of getting "blocked" is due to people constantly clicking a move order and then having said new move order recalculate to the other side of the minions, causing your champ to spaz out. Its happened to me, its happened to just about everyone. You can reduce this by only clicking one move order when near or inside of a wave, something that I have to consciously think about, as myself and everyone I know who plays this game clicks several thousand times more then they really need to during the course of a match.

What really bugs me about creep block and creep behavior is creep block overwhelmingly hurting melee champs compared to ranged ones. A ranged champ pokes a melee champ when they are near/in a wave, they take a sliver of health in return from creep autos. A melee champ attacks an enemy champ in/near a wave and the wave thrashes them for the gall to attack someone near them.

The other thing is creeps autoing an opposing creep, you waiting for it to be in range for an auto to cs, and then at the last second a minion either stops targetting that minion, or a new one targets it in addition to the ones who already were. Which can lead to sometimes missing CS. For no reason other than the minions abstractly deciding to target something other than what they were currently targeting

Icy Hot Shoto5 votes

I've clicked once to auto path to my team and got stuck in the minion wave I was walking with all because pathing took me a pixel into the wave. You don't need to mass-click to get stuck in minions.

Galaxyburstz1 votes

Fizz inb4 passive rework release

Pandemic Punch1 votes

It is an intended mechanic. There are summoner spells and passives in the game that allow you to walk through minions to give you an advantage.

Just pay attention to where you are going.... make sure you plan your movements so you never get trapped in minions. It is a really easy concept to understand if you use 1% of your brain

Hot LeBlanc Yuri1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WuTqtLI6,comment-id=0022,timestamp=2019-05-07T09:43:16.821+0000)

It is an intended mechanic. There are summoner spells and passives in the game that allow you to walk through minions to give you an advantage.

Just pay attention to where you are going.... make sure you plan your movements so you never get trapped in minions. It is a really easy concept to understand if you use 1% of your brain

But its not working as intended

HeeroTX1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hot LeBlanc Yuri,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WuTqtLI6,comment-id=00220000,timestamp=2019-05-07T10:40:36.325+0000)

But its not working as intended

Yasuo can get a speed buff passing THROUGH minions, giving him an advantage... so... working as intended

(is there any champ that can pass through minions (on their own) that ISN'T hated by players who aren't their mains?)

Kurorade1 votes

Jesus christ it's so annoying whenever I auto path to a minion and miss it because of creep block.

Saianna1 votes

Almost feels like we are back in time in S2 :D So many years, Ritotito still perfectly ignoring the playerbase

SilentBomber1 votes

You want to creep score by last hitting enemy's minions.You have to get by YOUR MINIONS FIRST xD

ßlameMyADC1 votes

There is in general also some logical adjustments that need to be made. I think it should be possible to create a secondary hitbox, one for abilities, one for movements. Therefore, when an ability is supposed to hit a minion, it will hit how it should, but walking through waves of minions should be easier. Alternatively, make it so that minions get PUSHED aside, when a champ walks through.

  • All flying/floating champs should not have to deal with minion block at all, it just makes no sense.
Mr Bob Boberson1 votes

Your own minions should not be able to block you, That is all

Salty Mc Feed1 votes

Minion block is just annoying at this point. I don't see any positive aspect there. It's fine that there is collision among minions, so they don't stack up on the same spot like crazy, but champions should just ignore minion collision in general. Not getting screwed by your own minions isn't a kind of skill expression I would miss.

LunariarWarrior1 votes

It's pretty bad. My friends convinced me to play an ARAM after minion block nonsense in Ranked, only for me to die because Poros can creep block too. Why the hell is this even a thing?

K3ars3n1 votes

The issue I have with creepblock is one of pathing. The pathing system in LOL is actually one of the worst, modern game, path coding I have experienced. Creeps should not ever keep you from moving, period. Pathing needs to be coded in sequence, one direction, blocked, fine, go around.

DingDongDanger1 votes

I can't even begin to tell you how many times my own minions cucked me. It's so stupid, I understand enemy unit collision but friendly makes no sense.

H00KIE1 votes

Team collision of any kind in any game, whether it be minions or your teammates, is garbage. There is absolutely zero reason for this to exist in a game like this other than for muh realism.

radetari1 votes

I would just make it so the enemy minions can block you but the ally minions can't

OtterlyLost1 votes

I wish ally minions didn't block. I've literally lost CS because one of my own creeps decided to jump out in front of me. Not only that, but can we fix the minion aggro? Sometimes they seemingly randomly swap aggro onto a different minion and its really hard to predict; this also makes CSing harder than it already is sometimes.

Lawd Dawg1 votes

As someone who enjoys playing Blitzcrank by all means lets get rid of creep block. Damn minions keep hopping into my q

Livin like Riven1 votes

I main ADC and nothing is more frustrating than when I step in to get a free auto on them, only for their minions to hit me, causing my minions to hit them, so they all take a step forward into me and force me to take an auto attack back instead of getting my free trade off. Except the time I played Fizz because I was specifically tired of being minion blocked while I played mid, and then still got minion blocked.

Fizz's passive is literally "you don't get minion blocked", and I got minion blocked on him on my first game mid in a while and it cost me my life. That was a tilter.

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